TerkErJerbs @ TerkErJerbs @lemm.ee

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It's an easy reaction to have when you only read the headline. But if you do the math, Starlink already provides service to most of the north at less than $200/mo per person. There are less than 120k people in the northern territories. That 2.2bn works out to something like 85 years of Starlink service per person in the north (assuming everyone there needs an individual dish, which isn't the case). Myself and a couple of other commentors have done some looking into Telesat as a company and they launched one (1) LEO "test sat" in 2018 and haven't done a fucking thing since to get northern people online in a timely fashion.

If you actually talk to people who live in the north most of them who can afford to already have Starlink, because it works far better than Xplore which was the only option previously, for many years. Most northern mining, logging, and oil camps are also getting their workers online with Starlink and have been for a few years already.

I've not a fan of Elon, or the canadian libs, or the conservative party. But this whole discussion is kinda bullshit. As far as I'm concerned Elon Musk is guillotine lube, top of the list. The day after he is beheaded, Starlink as a company will continue operating. Which, frankly, is best-case scenario. idk what else to say about that.

There are quite a few high profile (in the media anyhow) cases where nutjobs get off on starting fires, yeah. But the really dark shit starts to happen when (ahem) alternative media sources start to imply that all arsonists are paid state actors and/or sexually aroused political players doing all the arson.

It's usually insurance-related. Or accidental. Nothing that sexy in the vast majority of them.

My favorite was last year during the very real wildfire issues affecting western canada where the flat-earthers kept posting video of actual forestry worker helicopters torching brush piles (something they actually do, during the off-season, to clean up tinder piles) and conflating it with "treaudeauh-paid ANTIFA super-soldiers out to bring in 15 minute cities and permanent state control by burning society to the ground" or whatever the hell. The absurdity of it all kinda turned me on in the other direction, ngl.

Classic King Missile - Take Stuff From Work.

ACAB

Research Xplore-net and circle back to this. The feds poured all kinds of subsidies into this shitty company and it's never been more than a joke among anyone who's ever had to use it. ETA look up hundreds (and thousands that didn't post to the internet) cases like this one where Xplore-net users bailed en masse for Starlink as soon as possible and got fucked around for months with their cancellation and billing workflows.

I can't find it but I'm reasonably sure I remember Xplore-net asking for a bailout or subsidy funding due to their customers fleeing around lockdowns. I'll post it if I can find it.

ETA #2 lol Canadian Broadband Firm Xplore In Talks to Receive Fresh Financing

That was the same issue I had with SyncThing, it just seemed to conk out at weird times and I gave up on it (for that purpose). It's great for centralizing a directory of files from one machine to another but I didn't love it for keeping a single file up-to-date with changes coming from more than one point on the network.

Oh yeah sorry, I misunderstood. I think what you're looking for is local (network) versioning which I've had trouble finding in the past as well. I had hoped SyncThing would do it but it doesn't. Versioning is something a service like git does perfectly (i.e. notifies of and/or resolves conflicts in text files on the fly, seamlessly). When I was doing a lot of writing from different devices I set up a private repo on Github (and later Gitlab) and got my text editor to auto-sync-on-save to the repo (from any device) and it worked great. There are very likely self-hosted solutions that wouldn't rely on the cloud for that, but for me it worked fine as private repos because nobody but me would ever see those drafts (in a perfect world... we all know microsoft has almost certainly trained their shitty A.I. on my terrible writing versions over those years on Github because they own that platform).

I know there are ways to get Git working locally, probably for this purpose, but I don't know of any simple ones to suggest.

I use LocalSend between all my devices (work, personal, etc). Mac, Linux, Android, Winblows. All. It's fast, effective, lightweight. FOSS.

Not sure how it's biased, the piece about the 1.3bn was within the first five results that came up when I searched them. To be fair, I didn't dig as deep as you did to find that that deal didn't go through. Thanks for the correction, I didn't know that. The gov-can website itself still has details about the deal, not sure why they wouldn't have removed it if it didn't happen. For context this is the article on canada.ca I was referring to (I wasn't trying to be shady and I don't appreciate being accused of that).

I don't have a horse in this race. I personally don't give a fuck about how the north gets connected per se as long as billions of public money isn't wasted. Again, imo clean water infra is probably a lot more important in the long run for the people in the north considering there is already at least one viable service to connect to the internet with. I can't quite wrap my head around why Telesat hasn't left the "testing phase" in 6+ years. Your added context here makes me even more wary given the details about the company that would actually be manufacturing the LEO sats (and obviously... haven't done so yet. Why is that?).

We all know why canadian cell and internet prices are among the highest in the world. It's because our entire population is less than that which occupies the lower third of california. It costs a lot to build infrastructure to provide comms tech for each person per capita on this scale considering 95+ percent of our population lives along the US border. My point is that Starlink already has the infra in the northern sky, mostly because they have a pretty sizeable market in Alaska and the knock-off effect is there are already LEO sats within range of providing lots of northern canadian residents that same service. The rhetoric about national security is laughable given anyone with a debit card anywhere in the country can already order Starlink and have it delivered within the week. If you're gonna go down that rabbit hole, let's ban it across the country in favor of a domestic solution that might be available in another decade at the current rate of development. While we're at it, let's make it so that those fly-in communities in the north are only allowed to get food and supply deliveries on canadian-made airplanes and boats.

It all starts to break down when you think about it. This isn't a political thing for me, it's practical. I'm not a huge fan of government in any form (read my comment history). But since we're all participating in this fucking shitshow let's look at the facts and spend our collective tax money wisely. If that 2.2bn is actually going to mean most people in the north get cheap or free internet within the next decade I'd love to see it. Meanwhile, unfortunately, Starlink is already in place and working for that purpose. That's just a fact, whether anyone likes Elon Musk or not. I fuckin don't.

I just looked into Telesat for the first time, and I'm happy if they actually do anything they say they're gonna. I found that the canadian gov't already injected 1.3bn into them in 2021. Further reading on their own website shows they only have one (1) "demo" sat in LEO launched in 2018, for "testing purposes". So we're now giving them another 2.2bn for what exactly? If this project turns out like some of the other semi-publicly funded or subsidized attempts at connecting northern canada it's never going to happen, or like in the case of XPlore-Net turn out to be the shittiest overpriced attempt at internet providers ever to have existed. Tens of thousands of their customers bought a Starlink as soon as it became available to them, several years ago already.

I've traveled the north and I know a handful of people who grew up there literally on trap lines and in one case a fishing village in the northern section of Nunavut. I really am for everyone in Canada getting online. I'd like to have seen it happen a long time ago. I just don't have a lot of faith in these publicly funded projects given their track record. And to be clear, I loathe the liberals as much as the conservatives, I'm not choosing a political side here. To put this another way, 3.3bn would go a long way towards building out the clean water infra that the gov't has also been promising for decades. idfk call me crazy but there isn't already a successful company going around offering that service for very cheap. Maybe we should be investing in areas where there's not already a solution.

Again, I'm no Elon stan. You don't have to convince me he's a dbag, and I wish some other competitor would come along with something better. However I've personally used Starlink in sub -30C temps for work, for weeks at a time. The dishes work perfectly fine in cold climates, and they have a self-heating element to de-ice themselves if you enable that feature. I don't know what you're talking about. I do know lots of other people who also rely on it in similar climates.

You can go onto Starlink's coverage map right now and order service to Dawson City Yukon, and anywhere equilateral to that point. There's a pretty big market for it in Alaska, already. The tech does what it says it does, which kinda sucks because I'd rather not put money into his fucking bank account. But yeah. It is what it is.

Unfortunately this is where Musk figured out how to corner the market ahead of time. It was the same thing when cellular tech came into the mainstream. Lots of less developed countries with poor or no hardwired telcom infra found that skipping ahead to next-gen tech (cell towers) was super cheap and quick to build, so lots of corners of the earth found themselves connected in the 90's that had never been prior to that decade.

Starlink and low-orbit sats for internet coverage are a similar leap ahead in cost and speed to deploy. Elon and his goons saw it coming long before anyone else did, and the fact they also have Space X was a pretty key part of their speed to deploy.

I'm no Elon stan, I hate the fucking guy. But it is what it is. He got there first and people in northern canada can already access Starlink for under 200/mo. I am no math guy but I suspect that even if the fed gov paid every cent of everyone's subscription to Starlink it wouldn't amount to 2 billion dollars. 🤷

EDIT just did some napkin math. With the help of wiki found that the population of northern canada is less than 120k people. So cost of taxpayers footing the bill for everyone up there to be on Starlink would be 24 million/yr. Or... for that same 2 billion, 83 years of Starlink subscriptions for each and every person up there. That would be if each single person had their own dish.

Put butter on the outside, throw it in a hot pan and grill it. Even go further and get a sandwich press. NOW YOU'RE COOKIN!

When extreme climate collapse really kicks in, the average person will wish it were some protesters disrupting their commute for a few hours on a weekday vs literal breakdown of infrastructure and society indefinitely.

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Boats, planes, drones, phones, bikes... Anywhere that you can maximize storage cell capacity in odd shaped volumes and spaces/designs. It's great.

*years? Yes. It used to be the bleeding edge of search and now it's just profit driven enshittification like the rest of ai-ridden garbage tech wallstreet bullshit.

You'll find that with any major VPN. The IP addresses they use to proxy your traffic eventually get flagged and blocked by lots of major players. Which is why VPN companies cycle through them quite often. As others have said, you'll either need to switch servers (and thus ips) or figure out another path.

I don't use mull but most have a way to exclude a given url or site from the tunnel if you need it. i.e. the site will work for you but it's coming from your own IP and unencrypted.

I set up Bunsenlabs on both of my elderly parents computers and then basically automated login stuff to the sites they use, pinned those tabs. Blocked all ads and trackers. Set Firefox to auto open on boot. Basically made them a Linux version of a chrome book where everything they need is in the browser and already active, no mudding around.

8 months later zero complaints from either of them.

Along the same line of pain management did you know that pretty much all the poppy seed (for ornamental flowers) you can buy at any garden store are opium poppies? You can grow them easily, then macerate the whole plant and extract in off the shelf alcohol and strain it for essentially laudanum which is great for a sleep aide or pain in low to moderate doses. Quite safe as well, obviously if you don't abuse it.

I'm a lefty but I didn't know which instances leaned which way when I got here. I chose lemm.ee because their defed policy itself was neutral and that appealed to me because I can do my own damn blocking thank you.