Tankiedesantski [he/him] @ Tankiedesantski @hexbear.net

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"Under the doctrine of 'takes one to know one...'."

Socialism:

I hope you realise that countries recognise the People's Republic of China because it's politically expedient. It's lip service since the PRC government is easily offended. So for many countries, it's easier to just play along, shut up, and let's get to negotiating some lucrative trade deals instead. Public support among Western nations and their allies for Taiwan's continued autonomous existence remains high despite their governments recognising it as a province of China. You don't seem to understand how useful doublespeak is in international geopolitics. To pretend countries say what they mean and mean what they say is incredibly naïve.

No, I understand perfectly well that the West is a fork tongued Empire of Lies. If you understood history at all, you'd know that the recognition of the PRC as the legitimate government of China was a movement that started in the newly decolonized countries of the global south due to Mao's principled anti-imperialist stance back when there wasn't much lucrative trade to be had at all.

Support for Taiwan among the Western public is irrelevant to the situation and driven by a profound historical ignorance, much like all of your argumentative flailing.

I will cut to the chase here and say that the only reason for not calling it "Taiwan Province" is if you are (1) an American Imperialist, (2) a Japanese Imperialist, or (3) a running dog of one or both types of imperialist.

It doesn't matter to me what "normal people" call Taiwan Province because the vast majority of what you consider normal people are completely ignorant of the topic, the history, and the legal political situation.

You don't get a say in what terminology I choose to use. Your insistence on prescribing what exact terminology I can and cannot use dances on the border of pointless liberal semantic nitpicking and petty fascist power play.

No amount of semantic maneuvering on your part will change the fact that Taiwan, Province of China is recognized by international law and the vast majority of the countries of the world as being a part of China. No amount of quibbling over words or pidgeom holing me into your imaginary categories will change the fact that the vast majority of countries and international law recognizes the People's Republic of China as the sole legitimate governmemt of China.

Okay but how much wood would a wood chuck chuck tho?

Funnily enough, the US is an oligarchy, does not have universal health care, has absolutely shithouse protections for indigenous peoples, and a corporate controlled press that engages in self censorship. By this guy's criteria, America is not an independent sovereign country.

Thankfully you are not teaching in an elementary school because I would expect an elementary school teacher to know the correct spelling of "bureaucracy".

The point you are flailing at is that Taiwan, Province of China is de jure part of China (and the vast majority of the world's nations recognizes the People's Republic of China as the sole legitimate government of China. De facto there is another entity occupying Taiwan Province.

Contrary to you claim that they are "not tied whatsoever", the ROC splinter government on Taiwan maintains a de jure claim over all of China (plus Mongolia) as blatantly illustrated by the official emblem of the ROC Marine Corps:

No country or international organization recognizes de facto control as the primary determing factor of independence or sovereignty. This is why terrorist organizations like ISIS or criminal gangs like certain cartels aren't considered sovereign states simply because they occupy and administer territory.

I refer you to ISO 3166-2:TW where the territory in question is designated "Taiwan, Province of China" or "Taiwan (Province of China)". I do take the liberty of shortening out the "of China" but I am happy to refer to the territory by its full name if you will agree to do the same.

If you have any issues with the designation, I encourage you to take it up with the International Standards Organization.

Developing 5G communications and microchips for cellphones is belligerence. Bombing countries and funneling weapons to proxy wars is peace.

None of the things you stated matter even a little as far as international law is concerned. You might subjectively think that those factors make an independent country, but your subjective opinion simply doesn't matter because international law determines statehood, not am arbitrary list of "oh, well that's nice" factors.

I thought it was pointless to discuss with me? Which one is it? Retract one of your two contradictory statements and I'll happily define whatever you want.

It's obviously a country and it's useless discussing this further with a tankie.

Renowned Tankies, the states parties to the Montevideo Convention. Hardcore Stalinists, the lot of them!

How do you define "American domination" and what other countries do you consider to be affected by it?

"It's useless discussing with a Tankie!", proceeds to discuss with a Tankie. Very good rhetoric, 10/10.

Taiwan is independent nowadays though.

Independence from China is when one of the emblems of your armed forces is this:

Democracy is when you spend several decades murdering and repressing all leftist political opposition. The more leftists to murder and suppress, the more democratic it is.

• State Department Handbook, probably

Only the PRC is recognized as a country under international law. The RoC government squatting in Taiwan Province is legally no different to the ISIS occupation of parts of Iraq.

The PRC is one of the few truly sovereign states in the world, able to resist American domination on its own terms. The residents of Taiwan Province get to vote between stooges of American imperialism and stooges of Japanese imperialism.

Without American fast food, Russians will have to resort to eating rotten maggot-infested meat. It will be like a million Battleship Potemkins all at once.

Taiwan is counting on maintaining a key role in the United States' high-tech economy. One where, if the island of Taiwan were to fall under the control of the mainland, American economic interests would be severely damaged. The existence of semiconductor factories in America doesn't affect this calculus too much as long as a critical mass of manufacturing stays in Taiwan. In fact, tying Taiwan's economy to the United States is beneficial because it means the pain of separating it will be greater, and hopefully the fear of such pain will make the Americans want to protect them.

Exactly my point. The interest of Taiwan Province is to have the critical mass of such manufacturing stay in the RoC, whereas the interest of the US is to have the critical mass of such manufacturing move to the US. Given these divergent strategic interests, it is the best interest of the RoC to sell chips to the US instead of allowing the US to make its own chips. The US doesn't have a supply alternative to TSMC yet, so exporting RoC tech and factories to the US is weakening the RoC position and creating their own competitor (assuming the US doesn't fuck up its own factories).

Well yes. One is the result of a bloodthirsty and corrupt military dictatorship which is directly responsible for the deaths of millions, whereas the other is the People's Republic of China.

However, both are China as you can see from the names they've chosen for themselves.

Is it effective? Especially since McD's leaving the country has just resulted in the Russian suppliers and restaurant owners running the place on their own with the same recipes.

Are the Russian people going to be angry at the lack of clown/king related branding?