Tangentism @ Tangentism @lemmy.ml

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Do you condemn Israel for lying & firing so indiscriminately at the festival crowds that they are very likely responsible for the vast majority of casualties?

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231030-report-7-october-testimonies-strikes-major-blow-to-israeli-narrative/

Testimonies coming out now paintt the attack in a different light:

Residents of the kibbutz said that Hamas fighters told them not to be afraid as they were there to fight the IDF, and they state they were not harmed by Hamas.

In fact, they state that the Israeli military fired so much and so indiscriminately that it is very likely the high number of casualties were down to them.

Footage emerging shows Apache helicopters absolutely obliterating everything at the festival and the photos of the damaged vehicles could not have been caused by the weaponry that the Hamad fighters were armed with.

More than half of the original figure of 1600 killed were IDF, with that total being revised down to 1200 with only 1 child under 5.

You've been fed bullshit by a military that has a long track record for lying though it's teeth and bought into them hook line & sinker

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231030-report-7-october-testimonies-strikes-major-blow-to-israeli-narrative/

and still, the Washington Post repeats the same old tired news reporting formula:

Gossiping hairdressers gonna gossip...

No, you're just becoming more aware of it

And gas....

And they want to build a canal to the gulf of Aqaba and as it's rock, it can have 2 lanes and take all the traffic from the Suez (which is sand and only 1 lane of traffic)

I really don't care whats tenable for a state born out of terrorism that has been carrying out ethnic cleansing and genocide against the indigenous people for the last 70 plus years.

They have no fucking legitimacy and as much right to continue to exist as the NSDAP government after WW2.

Restore Palestine to the 1917 borders. Grant all Palestinians equal rights within those borders. All zionists who were involved in perpetrating war crimes either directly, or indirectly via policy, to face trial at the Hague

I've gone back there from time to time because there's not the specialised subs here yet, or those that are don't have the traffic.

What I've found on the main dubs I used to frequent is that they are full of reactionary comments that have no grasp of history, context or empathy.

The specialised subs, maybe were like this and I was just more tolerant to it, are full of low effort "please look at me doing absolutely fuck all in any way of producing meaningful content" posts.

There's far too many to actually get to the content with effort so the signal to noise ratio is too low to fight off my general contempt of the place.

Yeah, but the way they fall out of trees onto their heads is just too cute!

So you didn't bother to read my comment then?

If you're too lazy to do that, why the fuck should I put any effort beyond this in replying?

That would be the exact reactionary response I would expect from someone with no grasp of the history, its complexity or even a miniscule amount of knowledge of the atrocities that have been carried out against civilians by both sides

And the gas and oil reserves underneath it

Not been original thought in the guys head.

He stole the idea for Facebook and people think these tech bros are all about innovation!

British WW1 propaganda was that the Germans eat babies so it's a regular thing to use

You're talking as though the attacks happened in a vacuum, without intelligence from several sources pre-warning of it and without a certain level of collusion from the Israeli executive to allow it to happen and bring capitalised by then for it's maximum effect.

When you can genuinely approach the subject not from such a disingenuous perspective then my response may well be perceived by you as a bit more than "If you don't want to be taken for a cunt then don't act like one "

They are digitising Marion Stokes' collection

Shame he wasn't seen for being like Marion Stokes

The BBC stupidly recycled the tapes because they didn't give much credence at the time to how important their archive would become.

To me it seems like Gaza had no intention to get rid of Hamas though at the same time bombing is unnecessary.

There hasn't been elections for 16 or 17 iirc so how can Palestinians "get rid of" Hamas?

Hamas was supported & funded by Netanyahus likud party specifically because it drove a wedge between those in Gaza and in the West Bank. Classic divide and conquer technique.

As for what Israel can do? They can get rid of the genocidal crook that's running their government and his two murderous far right henchmen and grasp that he had concocted this situation for several reasons:

To divert attention away from his corruption and fraud indictments

To quell the protests that have been going on for months against him because of the corruption and legislation he has passed to curtail the supreme courts ability to hold the executive to account.

To level Gaza, ethnically cleanse it & genocide the Palestinian people so he can get to the natural gas and oil reserves there.

Yes, there's a lot Israel can do and it needs to be quick about it.

Saw a report earlier that a lot of councils are on the verge of bankruptcy because of the increase in the last few years of the cost of providing emergency accommodation to the genpop, not asylum seekers.

For example, Hastings council housing bill went from £750k in 2019 to £5.6M by next April