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Wait, did he really overtake Arnault again? I see contradicting sources.

But the anti-4kids crowd hates that argument

Anyone with a functioning brain is part of the “anti-4kids crowd”, I can assure you the majority of them agrees with your first statement as well.

It’s done well (usually), but it’s still not the original. Something will inevitably be lost in the adaptation anyway, and if you know even a slight bit of Japanese (or whatever the original language is), subs are the better choice for a first view, imo.

Then, if the series/movie was good and I feel like watching it again, I’ll go with the dub when available. Rarely, if ever, I found a Dub that was better than an original version, but a lot have been at the same level so it’s definitely worth it.

Actually you can see she’s the one who went for the face first. He was just provoking and pushing.

Bullies rarely start physically attacking people, they just provoke until the victim snaps so they have the green light and can say they’re not the ones who started it. That’s why it’s so hard to frame stuff like this, victims are in a situation of emotional stress and more prone to be impulsive, while bullies know what they’re doing and how to be able to “play the victim” afterwards.

You can do both you know.

Trump already violated Engoron’s gag order twice, costing him $15,000.

I gagged. That’s less than the cheapest car on the market. For violating two gag orders in a civil fraud trial.

The “””end goal””” would be people working half the time, earning half the money, and stuff costing half as much to make and half as much to purchase.

The issue is we have to force them to translate the manufacturing cost decrease in a price decrease, or it’s never going to happen.

Plenty of good things come out of 4chan, it’s just that the bad ones outnumber them by a lot.

Kind of like with humans in general.

But we want to stop those people from starving. And if we ideally lived in a world where no one is starving, emissions would go up astronomically.

Tell that to Game Freak.

And that’s fine if you think that, but like I said, what am I to do about the imposed sense of shame that I’ve been hearing about since I was 5? Just stop calling it pride because some tone-deaf folk or someone with an agenda wants their black & white parade? Or because someone can’t see the bigger picture? In a sense, I’m being asked to be disarmed of one of the most politically powerful and humanitarian movements in history for the sake of argument.

I’m not asking for you (or anyone) to do anything, I’m just discussing on the internet. If you think adapting the current situation to avoid the fallacy is not worth it, by all means do what you feel is better. Being straight and European I’m clearly less informed on the subject than you, so it makes sense that you would want to stick to your beliefs, I’m not surprised and I’m not bitter or anything about it. As we already said, the world has far worse problems than a speech fallacy skewed in favor of a heavily oppressed community.

It’s important to express it because representation & visibility in the media matters, and that yearly reminder that we’re still here and that we have numbers also matters. It’s not just for the bigots but for ourselves growing up as well. I’m not sure you realize the impact that Pride has on teens and young adults for their self esteem, what a lighthouse signal it is to let our guards down, and what a difference it makes to see some hope that there’s an active effort to change the world for the better. I grew up with that and I wish more people did because I still see so much self hate of which I have many stories.

Maybe I wasn’t clear enough about it earlier, but I have absolutely nothing against “Pride” as an event. I’ve never been to one but from stories, pictures and videos I’ve seen it seems like sort of a huge carnival spreading messages of acceptance and peace, that’s wonderful and I love that it’s happening. I was talking more about the idiom (my original comment wasn’t even about sexuality), and people saying they’re “proud of being (anything they were born as)”. I think I even discussed with another commenter how the event being called “Gay Pride” is something that’s set in stone and part of universal speech, so at this point it wouldn’t be worth it to rename it just to make it “slightly less controversial” (like the whole debate about “blacklist” or “male and female” adapters).

I said no such thing. I said that gay pride exists because there’s a need for it to exist, and that need isn’t going away anytime soon. Like I said, be glad that you don’t feel the need to derive a sense of self-worth or community for your basic human rights.

I know, it was just an example of how someone can feel neither shameful nor prideful about something.

You’re allowed to, just like everyone is allowed their misinformed opinions, but that doesn’t save anyone from the push back. My point is that it’s a frivolous discussion marred in the oversimplification of the term based on a misconception that I hear too often. Sorry but this discussion is not new and it’s often attached to some bigoted ideas regardless of your good intentions, and that’s my real issue. I get your point, that it sounds absurd, but context is everything.

Sure, I never denied it being frivolous, and I tried discussing it on a place like Lemmy especially because if I did it in a less left-leaning community the comments would’ve just been filled with bigots turning my argument into an excuse to insult. In a place like this where mostly everyone knows there’s no gay lobby trying to control the world or anything, I feel like you can discuss these things in a more relaxed and detached way.

Okay, I’ll admit I did not know the “grind your axe” idiom and assumed it meant something along the lines of “sharpen your knives”, in the sense that I wanted an excuse to be angry (and metaphorically violent) at someone. I honestly still didn’t completely get what you meant because the first three definitions I found are all different from each other, but none is what I thought you meant so my bad.

You literally are trying to make it an issue. Here are your words: “It’s currently not an issue […] But it’s still a sort of double standard” blah blah. That is literally you trying to find fault in something that is not problematic in any way. Your whole premise hinges on “if society progresses enough” like you’re trying to prevent a social disaster from happening in your mind. That is the pettiest battle to take on the strangest vanguard that I’ve ever heard. You’re pulling an issue out of thin air.

You think it’s not problematic in any way. Tell me how it isn’t a double standard (by default a fallacy if we want both parties to be equal) then. And again, I’m not trying to prevent anything, at one point I even said it’s currently not important and it’s not for our generation to care, but you wanted to keep discussing because even suggesting it might be a slight problem in the far future is unacceptable.

You’re being argumentative over something that does not need to be argued about and ultimately fuels disdain because of this strange need to want to have a straight pride.

It’s the opposite, actually. I said it’s weird to have pride for something like that, be it gay or straight. They’re both weird in my view and I don’t see why would I ever be proud about my sexual preferences.

What am I supposed to be if not prideful and without shame of who I am? Pride is literally a valid antonym of shame. But let me know what your effective and concise alternative is to express that. Anything constructive that doesn’t sound ridiculous?

Why is it so important to express it? And even if it was, why can’t you just be “not ashamed”? It’s not a dichotomy. There are plenty of things about myself I’m not prideful nor shameful about, and my sexuality is one of them. You say “straight pride” doesn’t need to exist, but you don’t think that as a consequence they have to be ashamed about it, do you?

You may think you’re smart by slapping destructive and inaccurate labels like “logical fallacy” on a device that my community has used to fight back to get us to where we are.

The logical fallacy is in “proud of being gay” and “proud of being straight” meaning exactly the same thing but being viewed with diametrically opposite acceptations. I don’t think the entire LGBT rights movement is founded on that.

So let’s get there first, then.

Ok. I’m waiting and doing my part in voting for progressive parties in my country. Am I not allowed to make conjectures on the internet that in no way harm the progress your community is trying to achieve, in the meantime?

I mean, there’s like dozens of types of mangas (or comics, for that matter), reducing them to two camps isn’t that efficient.

Oh. I looked up “cis pride” and found nothing so I assumed that was it.

Then yeah, that just reinforces your last comment. I still think the difference in treatment feels unfair, but I can’t really blame it when LGBT people take these occasions to show off their best side and straight ones show their worst instead. I guess it’s a conversation for a different century (when hopefully we all learned not to ridicule people different from us).

You said:

-I want to “make it an issue”

-I want to “grind my axe”

-I think “this shit is trivial and annoying” (whatever “shit” you’re talking about, since I never belittled any argument, except maybe my own ones).

All I said was that I find weird that people take pride in stuff they didn’t choose to be, and that having a different approach to “pride” based on your sexuality is a logical fallacy that will eventually need to be addressed, once all the other, more important, issues are resolved.

You’re making it sound like I did a call to arms for people to stop being proud of being gay because they annoy me or something.

Yeah, I guess there’s a huge distinction between pride as an emotion and Pride as an event at this point. Maybe that’s also why it’s seen with a very different meaning, I don’t think “””cis pride””” ever had an event, and if it did it was probably just a gathering of transphobes chanting slurs.

I can relate, I also have a weird hair quirk my grandma had as well, I like it and I’m glad I have it, but I wouldn’t really say I’m “proud” of it.

Yes, in the end it’s all semantics and there’s nothing really “wrong” with it, I just find it weird, like astrology or ultras, idk.

why wouldn’t someone be able to make the same quality of cheese given the same cows and quality process anywhere else?

They would, but the opposite wouldn’t be possible because of regulations. I feel like it’s more of a “this product has been made in a place which enforces good practices, so you can be sure it’s healthy (to a degree)”. It’s kind of like originals and bootlegs, bootlegs could be as good as good originals, but originals will never be as bad as bad bootlegs.

Human nature dictates that a majority will always oppress a minority, even when it’s not intentional. It’s selective pressure, pure and simple.

That’s not true at all. Left-handed people are a minority. Blond people are a minority. People over 2 meters are a minority. But none of those minorities are currently “oppressed” because of that.

Society catering more to the majority doesn’t mean the minority has to be oppressed. Very tall people have a lot of issues because architecture, clothing and everything else is tailored mainly to people with an average height, but try saying tall people are “oppressed” and see how many agree.

The oppression we see now is because people feel the moral superiority in “being normal”, and everything else is different, weird and therefore wrong. But just like left-handed people stopped being considered spawns of Satan in all of civilized society, we can get to that point for homosexuality too.

Saying a world where LGBT people aren’t oppressed is as likely as a world where “we’re all made of purple goo” honestly feels offensive to the effort activists have been making for all these decades.

I mean, you’re just putting words in my mouth at this point.