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And again typical Brexiteer cherry picking. I am bored with you and your gibberish. I doubt anyone is still reading your BS. BB

GL finding the MPs who will give up that data.

You don't get a trend based on data point over 30 days to justify a 3 year period.

As for GDP which is an accepted way to give an indication on the economy.

In a tweet following the publication of new gross domestic product (GDP) figures by the Office for National Statistics (ONS), the Conservative Party claimed: “The UK economy recorded the fastest growth in the G7” in 2022.

This claim was also made by chancellor Jeremy Hunt, who tweeted: “The fact the UK was the fastest growing economy in the G7 last year - as well as avoiding recession - shows our economy is more resilient than many feared.”

GDP measures the value of goods and services produced in a country, with GDP growth a key measure of the strength of a country’s economy.

It is true that, when comparing annual GDP in 2022 with 2021, the UK economy grew by 4%—the fastest rate in the G7.

However, as others have pointed out, when making this comparison it’s worth bearing in mind that in 2021 the economy was still impacted by the Covid-19 pandemic so comparisons with this period are not necessarily the most useful way of assessing recent economic growth.

Looking at other periods not impacted by the pandemic, the UK’s growth does not compare as favourably to other G7 countries.

It is based on the previous month. You can have 20 months at +50 and then contract. You are using a single stat from one month to justify something that happened 3 years ago. Typical Brexiteer gaslighting. Latching onto individual stats and bellowing the "see, see, see!". It is a fact people are much worse off since Brexit. Trying to say we are doing better than France or Germany is just ludicrous and very weak.

MPs should not be allowed to earn money from secondary sources. If this means paying MPs more, then it is in our interests to do just that. We have been sold out for long enough now.

While we are at it remove all party donations and set up government funded platform for canvassing. Elections with the highest budgets are usually the most successful. It is just another form of paid legislation.

PMI is a comparison to YOUR previous month.. When your data point is your own economy then that has no relation to anyone else's. The EU is in contraction because of the massive upheaval that has taken place in recent years. The EU was massively weakened by Brexit, and compounded with a pandemic. This was further exacerbated by the energy supply disruption, which in turn affect mainland EU countries more than the UK.

You are using one short term internal data point to prove an argument for something that happened in 2020 across many countries. It shows nothing but your ignorance on the subject.

why do they publish them then?

To show how you are doing compared to the previous month. It does not show you how you are doing in comparison to everyone else; it is a comparison to your own market.

How did brexit affect France and Germany? There are no import controls from the EU to the UK

OFC there is, have you seen the massive lorry park at Dover? They also have extra costs with paperwork. This is as well as the economy being shrunk by the loss in UK trade.

You cannot use PMI to make comparisons between countries. PMI is a comparison to yourself and how your economy is doing. Anything below 50 on PMI shows that there is a contraction in the economy. The UK's PMI is 44, so it proves the point that the economy is shrinking.

As for using Germany and France for comparisons that is just bloody stupid. Brexit did not just affect the UK, it was damaging to countries in the EU also.

Sometimes you need to make absolutely sure it's job done.

I believe it was a report that was sold at the 2005 conference. The PDF was available for purchase on Amazon last time I looked. It made a few pounds in 2012 when Jeremy Hunt (the main author) was promoted.

As for the discrepancies, they were trying to sell an idea. Truth was not at the top of their agenda.

Is this a relatively new thing? I was under the impression that the UK conservative party was fairly different than US conservatives. I had heard that Johnson was a bit of a johnson himself, but assumed things went back to “normal” with his ousting.

I really don't know when it infiltrated the Tories. Thatcher from the 80's for all she was hated because of the way she attacked unions was certainly not of that ilk. Part of Thatcher's persona was honesty and integrity.

Major who followed her did not seem that way. I listened to him giving an interview on TRIP, he seemed extremely genuine. He was also a major feature of Thatcher's government.

I think the rot started when the Tories took a major arse kicking in 2005. I have no real evidence or insider information to back that up.

There was a lot of talk within the party regarding reform so they could get back on track. There was a very disturbing report written up from a group within the party. It was based around manipulation and where the party should aim for. One particular notable part pointed out that educating the poor was not good for Tory votes. People from poorer back grounds who gained degrees were less likely to vote Tory than any other group. DIRECT DEMOCRACY: An Agenda for a New Model Party. Page 12

The decline in Conservative support has been particularly marked among the most educated. This is not always obvious since more education is associated with higher income, and higher income is still (just) associated with stronger Conservative support. However, other factors being held constant, the more educationally qualified someone is, the less likely he or she is to support the Conservatives. This is a problem to the extent that the more educated are likelier to vote, and are often influential in leading the opinion of others. It is also, of course, a problem in a country where nearly half of young people are now going to university.

There is a conspiracy theory thrown around from time to time that defunding education in poor areas is done by design to increase the vote share. Something that is hard for a Tory to argue against in the UK, especially when you show the stats on funding.

If you read the report in entirety you will see republicans are mentioned many times over.

The first Tory PM in power after this was Cameron with Osborne as chancellor. I listened to Osborne on TRIP and was not impressed. I am going to say imo here, I CBA to dig up more details, it really annoyed me to listen to him. He told lies on his figures, he ducked and dodged with inuendo. It just felt massively different to Major talking. I have seen people quote stats on things that were wrong under Cameron and Osborne. This was not the view I had on them at the time, but that has since changed in hindsight.

Teressa May who followed them seemed genuine to me. She also did an interview on TRIP. I felt at the time she got a bad deal from the Tory MPs and the infighting. That view has not changed.

The rest is as they say history. Johnson, Truss and Sunak, all I can say is shithouses. And that is unkind to the toilet.

Both parties are known for gerrymandering now, the Tories are changing the boundaries across the UK. Both are recognised for hiding information through obfuscation. Both have shown designs to bully influential depts (judicial system, elections control, police etc). Both have shown a prevalence for gaslighting and talking nonsense to fog over issues. Both are reputed to have Russian influence running through them. I would guess the Republicans are known for selling government contracts to donors, something the Tories are going to loose the next election over.

History for granite is similar in as much the second one shows how much the guy has looked into it.

I have watched a ton on history. With vloggers I generally watch for the bits I didn't already know now. Vloggers tend to focus on the same stuff. What artists would consider pot boilers. It is great when you find someone with the different angle.

American politics is a new fad of mine. I have been following Trump closely, along with the legal break downs that come with that. I strongly dislike the scum that are the Conservatives in the UK. The UK Conservative party is very much aligned with the US Republicans. They share the same think groups. The parallels with tactics are very stark.

Maybury and Madison was brand new to me and filled in a fair few hours. I tend to read the fine print and follow the explanation links. My wife was not impressed when I told her that equal rights for women had not been ratified in the US as part of the constitution. More so when I told that Virginia had rejected another vote on it in 2019. It is the little things in life that make you smile. Education can be a dangerous thing, I will be inspecting my food for a few days.

FTFY

It frustrates me how much the government is trying to start continue a culture war.

Added it to my lists.

My current ones are: https://www.youtube.com/@HistoryforGRANITE/videos (one of the most interesting. For someone who talks about rocks, it is actually very insightful) https://www.youtube.com/@HistoryTime/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/HistoryHit/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/HistoryHit/videos

Besides its overwhelming impact on US history, the reason for the Marbury v Madison itself is an interesting insight into how contentious US politics has always been.

Thanks, I read the wiki and watched a lecture from the Uni of Virginia. There is obviously a lot more history around the outcomes of the case, but it asked the question which always seemed blaringly obvious to me and the SCOTUS. How does a non elected body get such power? I will look into it more. I find the diversion between UK law and US law interesting. I have to own up to be an bit of a history geek.

Media bias check

Founded in 2015 by Max Blumenthal, The Gray Zone is a far-left news and opinion website that produces long-form journalism. Max Blumenthal is a writing fellow of the Nation Institute. He also is a journalist, author, and filmmaker who is a regular contributor to the Questionable Russian news sites, RT and Sputnik. According to their about page, “The Grayzone is an independent news website dedicated to original investigative journalism and analysis on politics and empire.”

With this aside, it has been a theme of the UK's Tory party to invest in schemes like this. Cambridges Analytica is the most prominent in my mind. They know that their agenda is nothing more than convincing Turkeys that Christmas is a good thing. They need as much leverage as they can get to keep the con going.

I agree with a lot of what you say. I don't think polarisation is a bad thing. Everyone has a different perception of where the priorities should be, sometimes that is just pure greed, sometimes it is genuine need. The biggest issue in the US (and the UK) imo, is the voting system. FPTP system are too easy to corrupt. Voters recognise that a vote for an independent can lead to what you really don't want into power. This encourages tribal voting instincts. In my own area, I know I am going to have to pinch my nose and vote Labour. I will do this knowing full well that the person I am voting for has shown to be nothing but a grifter for over 10 years.

A FPTP system only requires attention in the swing areas. The rest is largely ignored. A PR voting system has been gaining more and more popularity in the UK. A lot are recognising that FPTP has some very real dangers.

Truth and media accountability has become a conduit for celebrity voting. They even used the same model that was used on Trump with Johnson in the UK. We got lucky because we got the idiot who was much easier to spot. Trump also recognised that by throwing out crumbs, people would see him as doing something. Johnson actively did as little as possible. Neither of these would have been voted into power with the media backing they got. I am hoping that our next PM sorts the media out in some way. Leveson Inquiry 2.0 is another item to be looked into, imo.

We, in the UK, need a return to independent oversight. Johnson annexed what was previously independent bodies into government control. He then used them to justify government choices. Johnson was very close to gaining absolute power in the UK. Trump will do exactly this, if he ever gets in. Trump will mimic Erdogan, he will use his current predicament to justify doing even more extreme moves once in power. There is a fair to good chance you will not remove Trump and his family if they return.

Independent oversight seems to be a thing that is greatly missed in the US. There does not seem to be any trusted bodies where people can turn to for an honest opinion on truth. The problem seems to stem from the power of the ruling class of the time having the complete control of who gets which job. Having individual politicians plant the highest power in the legal system into place is always going to cause an imbalance. We have exactly the same problem with the house of Lords. I like the idea of cross party review bodies being used to adjudicate key positions of influence, but a lot of ultimate power positions like SCOTUS need a much wider oversight committee.

The biggest problem of all politics though has to be corruption. Politicians should not be able to earn money from secondary sources.

I lost you here. What position? Prevent more of what?

Not all republicans are bad. But the longer the good ones wait to take the bull by the horns, the harder it will be.

My point was not about authoritarian. It is about the lies that are being told to the masses to convince them that being turkeys for Christmas is actually good for them. The lies have gone from extreme into the ridiculous. I watched Trump tell a crowd that climate change is not true and that he can sort out the forest fires tomorrow. He wants to make use of the wasted overflow pipes in cities. Where do you start on that one? Trump has caused murders literally; people died in the insurrection. He is affirmed as being a rapist in judicial hearing. In the UK we call this out as being a nonce. There were republican candidates who said they would follow Trump if he was elected while in prison. Worse still, this is only a minor take on the whole story. Boebert committing sex acts in front of kids. The open gerrymandering in states across the US. The attacks on the judicial system and civil employees. The way they used public servant wages as blackmail instead of using democratic leeway.

How far down the rabbit hole do you have to go before thinking that there is something wrong here, and I have to use my position to prevent more of it?

Grant Schapps is now running the show, Ben Wallace stepped down. It was pretty inevitable this was coming. The Tories are always complaining about what they cannot afford, while splashing fortunes on mates. Wallace always understood what was important in the defence of the UK. He is probably the only Tory with credibility.

Hence why we should be letting as many know about this sort of stuff as possible.