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Why focus on it?

Because it proves you weren't paying attention.

If you’re ‘sick’ and people take care of you...

She isn't sick. Nobody is taking care of her because she's missing an arm. She's just as capable with one arm as you are with two. She'd receive the same amount of support with or without an extra arm. She could have ten hands, and everyone would still offer theirs to help her at a moment's notice. She doesn't demand it, she just knows it's coming.

I didn’t argue she is giving people super cancer

I didn't say you did. But there's not even an imposition. There's no discomfort. Nobody suffers even a tiny bit. The only difference is the number of arms a woman has. Considering you aren't arguing she's a burden, what "harm" are you implying she's causing?

You should re read what I typed

I did. You said the people helping her feel like she's treating them like feet. They don't. They feel like family. She's treating them like family.

That’s why I made no judgement on her overall character.

You said that her not wanting to accept a gift for free was a result of trauma, and she was pushing people away by remaining in that trauma. There is no trauma. You created a phantom person with a phantom problem to complain about.

If you break it down like that...

But that is what you said. Not all that other strawman bullshit nobody even implied. You said helping people makes them like you. It doesn't. It might, but nobody has to accept help they don't want. Forcing help on someone who doesn't want it can cause problems, or they might see it as a debt they're uncomfortable with, and it can actually be pretty cruel. This is why people have to stress to her that there is never going to be any debt imposed on her and she still feels uncomfortable accepting it.

I hope to fuck that the people you help in your career actually WANT your help.

But the act is obviously selfish.
Even if I agree with you on everything, how is that supposed to show she isn’t acting selfish with her choice from earlier?

How? How is turning down regeneration because you think the effort is better spent elsewhere, or offering to pay someone for a dress, selfish? And how is it "obviously" so? How does her choice benefit her or disadvantage anyone else? How is her choice selfish?

I literally never said feet. I said arms, I said hands, I never said feet.

Your argument on that specific act not being selfish is “she’s done good things.”

That wasn't my argument on that act. That was my argument on her. She has a pattern of selfless behaviour, so it's weird to interpret this in a way that makes her selfish.

The argument I made on that specific act is that her having one hand is not a selfish thing. She says it's not worth the hassle healing her, and she's willing to do the work she'd need to by herself, even with the disadvantage. It only affects her. Nothing about that is selfish. I don't even see how it COULD be.

I don’t care if they’re family.

I didn't say they're family like that excuses anything. I said they're family because that is their reasoning, and how they treat each other. She treats them like family. They help her because they're her family. You say she treats them like they're just hands and feet, which is simply wrong.

Am I not allowed to complain about acts that ‘harm’ me?

This feels like a rather telling thing to say. Nothing in this situation harms anyone, including you. Nobody has been forced to do anything they aren't immediately offering to do. Nobody is trying to leverage anyone to do things for them. Her disability is not a burden on anyone. It's weird you interpret it in this way.

I have experience with people doing that...

You seem to have started arguing against a phantom in the middle there, and also implied that the only reason to do nice things is so other people like you? That's not why she does nice things. She does them because she thought it was the proper thing to do, and that anyone else would do the same. There's no trauma. She's not pushing anyone away. And the comic directly shows someone demanding her to accept their generosity, which matches with her learning to accept their aid in the comic I showed earlier.

No, her extended family got mad at her wanting to repay them for a dress, insisting she accept it as a gift. They insist she will never owe them for anything, and for good reason.

Why did you put things in quotes that nobody said? When did you read "arms and feet"?

She is not selfish. She is selfless to a fault. She isn't putting more work on others, she just doesn't think it's worth the hassle of magically healing her when that effort could go to helping others. She isn't doing it just because she thinks she can make others work for her, and if you read what I wrote, you'd know that.

She does pull her weight, and she pulls it with one hand while everyone else is telling her to rest for a bit. Everyone offers their hands to her and she has learned, over many years, to accept their aid. They are not just hands. They are her fucking family.

Here's an example of how incredibly wrong you've read the situation.

The bard in Wandersong. At one point, they state the ideology I live my life by in plain text, and another character points out the flaws in that ideology. Playing that game felt like therapy.

Create food and water is a 3rd level spell. Use your spell slots wisely.

She is anything but selfish. Literally every member of that family is only there because of her selfless deeds (not hyperbole), and they have to talk her into taking their support as a form of thanks. She will never owe them anything by their insistence.

Order of the Stick. She shows up pretty late on, but she's an amazing character.

There's a webcomic I read where the cleric became a cleric and started adventuring so he could be powerful enough to help regrow his mother's lost arm. When she had the option to regrow her arm, she refused. She didn't need it. With her extended family, she had all the hands she could ever want.

7th level spells, yes. Most people who get to a high enough level to use those spells are busy with politics or preventing world ending horrors.

You're overstating how common magic is. Aragorn is only 5th level, and you need to be a 13th level bard/cleric/druid to regrow limbs. Even then, you can only regrow one or two per day. It can be done, but it's not common.

Revivify doesn't regrow lost limbs. That's explicitly stated. You're thinking of resurrection, which is 7th level and costs a diamond worth 1000 gp.

Regenerate is a 7th level spell. A cleric would need to be 13th level or higher to use this spell. They are not that common, and they likely have more important things to do.

And since you ordered the soup, they likely have poor taste in soup

That's not an opinion, that's an incorrect statement.

That time they tried to fully take over Ukraine. That's a pretty good indicator.

None. Is this an American thing or something? I have never had this happen, or even heard of it happening except in America. It seems so weird to me to applaud people who can't hear you.

That's it! I knew I learned of this from something but forgot the name of it.

Power does not corrupt. It reveals. If you have the power to do whatever you want, it becomes apparent what you wanted to do. If having this power makes you do evil deeds, it means you already wanted to do evil deeds but lacked the power to.

After? No, they fucked it up during season 1.