Susaga @ Susaga @sh.itjust.works

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There are options other than "meritocracy" and "nothing", you know. It's worrying that didn't occur to you.

First, my conclusion is that meritocracy is impossible. Your conclusion was something you came up with on your own.

Second, capitalism isn't the ONLY problem. It's still a problem. Greed will corrupt any system, but capitalism is a system that openly rewards this corruption.

I don't think I said "nothing can be done". I just said meritocracy is impossible. And since it's impossible, we need a different system we can actually achieve. It won't be without flaws, but we can still aim to have LESS flaws than currently.

You don't improve by pretending nothing's wrong.

Oh, nuance definitely has value, but only where it exists. You can look for nuance in capitalism all you like, but you won't find anything. It's just greed.

Okay, you definitely didn't read my comment if that's what you think it was. Let me sum it up for you:

• A person's merit is subjective.
• Judging merit based on subjective values will bring in biases and corruption.
• Judging merit based on objective values is impossible, and will need to be a simplification.
• In either case, people will game the system to raise their value, regardless of whether they actually contribute anything of merit.
• Any system will become outdated VERY quickly, as society is always changing.
• Capitalism only judges the acquisition of capital, which is not a merit.
• A person can cheat literally any system if they try hard enough.

I explained all of that without a single anecdote.

It's also correct.

I'm not convinced you actually read my comment before responding.

I don't even think you wanted a discussion. I think you just want to say your belief and have it treated as fact.

It can't.

It's a logistical nightmare. In order to be rewarded for your efforts, you need some system of evaluating the worth of every effort. Any societal system that exists is made by at least one person, and every person had biases and ambitions.

There's no way to prevent cheating, because any rule to prevent cheating will be ignored, because that's what cheating is. Any rules to make cheating harder only make it harder, not impossible.

Oh look, it seems the act of deciding a person's worth to society is 100 times the worth of a labourer. And the worth of a writer for Batman is 20 times the worth of a writer for Spider Man. Oh, my physicist girlfriend just broke up with me... Looks like that's practically worthless now!

Wait, what's a youtuber? Is that a new thing? I made my value system back in 2002, so this is all new to me! You're not on the list, so I guess you're not worth anything? I guess we could make the list again, and while we're there, my opinions on Batman have changed, so we can tweak some other things too.

Ah, the problem is that a person's worth is entirely subjective... But what if we press it down into clear and objective statistics? What if we limit it to a single statistic, and a person's value is entirely related to raising that statistic? We can call the statistic... Capital!

So a person's value in society is entirely tied to their ability to obtain as much capital as possible, no matter what they do. Ah, meritocracy.

The spookiest of bees.

I'm making a campaign set in fantasy Vegas, so I took the floorplan of a casino and made it into a map of the city.

Think of "trickle down economics" as a human centipede. The guy in front of you gets to eat whatever he wants. You get to eat shit. The only people in support of it are the people who think they could be in the front of the chain, either because they were born there or because they're idiots.

Every so called “undecided”

You mean "Republicans." They won't admit it, because it's a terrible thing to be, but that's the only reason you could possibly think Trump isn't an instant "vote for the other guy" candidate.

There is no way you can look between a piece of cake and a piece of shit and not instantly go for the cake unless you have a scat fetish. You're not fooling anyone by pretending you're undecided; we know you just want to eat the shit. Either that, or you're really, REALLY bad at noticing a piece of shit when you see one.

Depends on what's being adapted. Some things benefit from a longer run time to cover all the good stuff, while other things benefit from a lot of the guff being cut and the story streamlined.

Read your question back. What did YOU call them? Yeah, that's what they're called.

You clearly didn't watch the Netflix adaptation where they answer that question. ::: spoiler What was in the sugar bowl? Sugar. (Technically, it was the antidote in sugar form, so yes) :::

Ah, so you're in denial about your vore fetish!

I'm a little unsure why you think it's not possible to get help. It almost always is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicide_crisis_lines

We can certainly modify rules that have proven abusive in the past, but...

There are good reasons to change rules. People breaking social norms is not one of them.

We may want to change the rule, or...

You may not be paying attention to me, but I thought you might want to pay attention to yourself. We absolutely CAN change rules at the table. It's called a house-rule. You keep pretending the issue is one that can't be improved with a rule change, but yes it fucking can.

...hope the official rules are changed at some point.

Are you just going to "thoughts and prayers" approach that? Or are you going to post online about the exploit to mitigate damage while letting the company behind the game know about the potential exploit? I'm going to assume the first, since you said "nothing needs to be done" unless there's a person to kick from the table.

Check the other comments. They are absolutely in the room with us.

Oddly enough, they don't defend it by saying it's good. They defend it by tearing down everything else, or brushing the flaws under the carpet with "well, you can just ignore the bad stuff, so they don't count."

Prevention is better than cure, dude. Take your vaccine so you don't get the disease. Set up a fire escape so you don't burn to death. Lock your door so people don't walk in and steal your TV. Avoid Stabby Johnson so he doesn't stab you.

And if you notice a flaw in a game system, do what you can to fix it.

If you are aware of a potential problem and do nothing to stop it, then you are responsible for it if it happens. You can't expect to avoid tragedy entirely, but you reduced the risk of THAT tragedy by a good amount, and that's not worthless. A seatbelt won't always save you, but you're absolutely fucked without one.

For someone trying to keep all options on the table, you sure are quick to remove all options from the table.