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I thought the same as well, for a time at least. I'm not sure if it was just me being hopeful or what. I got the impression that she was slightly more sympathetic to the whole situation than Biden was for sure though. That being said, I definitely think her stance hurt her more than helped her. There's polls saying she would have won a lot of votes in several swing states if she changed her stance. And we know that the war was unpopular with majority of Americans, especially Democrats. My guess is that lobbying money seemed to good to pass up. It's shitty that the world has to deal with a fascist wanna-be dictator because of these kinds of stupid situations and decisions.

There's a lot I don't know true. But there's a lot I know as well. For example, I know that in Israel Netanyahu is ridiculously unpopular at the moment and is under criminal investigation. I know the only reason he's still in power is because of a group of hard-right fanatics in the Knesset like Ben Gvir. I know this group has been pushing for the complete eradication of the Palestinians for some time now, including annexing the West Bank, and they are finally seizing on the moment. I also know that they are the ones pushing for a regional war with Iran. I know that the only one in Netanyahu's war council who vocally said this war shouldn't continue was the recently fired Defence Minister Yoav Gallant and was replaced with someone who wanted to continue the war. I know that lobbying groups such as AIPAC have spent a ridiculous amount of money lobbying the American Senate and Congress to let Israel do what they want. I know that Biden has received more money from these groups than any other senator in history. I know that Harris has repeatedly said that "Israel has a right to defend itself" even as they slaughter their way through innocents. I know that Tim Walz has said that he supports Israels right to expand it's borders as they escalate the conflict with Lebanon and Iran. I know that Harris chose to campaign with war hawks like Liz Cheney in an effort to win Republican voters while ignoring a lot of Democrat voters.

You started this thread by implying that voting for Harris would have saved the Palestinians. I'm telling you that everything points to her not doing a dam thing. You want to sit there and talk about how maybe she would have talked them down from creating a regional war with Iran? Sure, go for it buddy. Maybe she would have. But don't sit there and pretend like she, or the majority of Democrats, actually cared enough to stop Israel from performing their little genocide. Or the invasion of Lebanon for that matter. If they did, they would have done so by now. They chose to stick their head in the sand and pretend it wasn't an issue. Meanwhile they literally lost all 7 of the swing states because of this attitude. The Arabs definitely made her lose Michigan, and there's a strong case to be made that they could have helped her win Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

Well hopefully it continues and this incident doesn't make the city reverse it. Thanks for the added context.

Is this a new measure for Portland? I'm guessing people didn't know about it? The link doesn't really give details.

Me too. She's like a Bernie 2.0. She deserves a lot of respect for standing up for what's right.

I feel bad for AOC. She has to work with people daily that actively and vocally wish her harm and who have a rabid cult as followers. She honestly has a lot of guts to do what she does and say what she says. She is one of the few in Congress who actually deserve to be there.

These weren't anti-Semitic attacks, they were anti-Zionist protests. Even Jewish groups in Amstersam spoke up and said what the Israelis did was wrong.

The problem with it is that it was more or less the same thing Biden said and it's been abundantly clear Biden does not care for a ceasefire. The Arabs wanted more than that. They wanted her to admit that what Israel was doing in Gaza and Lebanon was wrong. They wanted her to say that she would take a firmer stance than Biden would on Israel. They didnt want her to say that she supports Israels right to defend itself, or for Tim Walz to say he supports Israels right to expand its borders, or even to campaign with Liz Cheney. The icing on the cake was Bill Clintons very stupid attempt to justify Israels killing of civilians a day or two before the election. What she said clearly wasn't enough and she repeatedly ignored them as well as the DNC actively trying to silence them.

I believe she did end up taking a slightly firmer stance a few days before the election, which is likely due to her not polling so well. I'm not sure if your quote is from that time or from before. But I think a lot of Arabs saw it as "too little, too late" kind of thing.

She didn't have to condemn him, she could have just said "I feel we should be doing more and take a firmer stance saying that genocide is not ok". Something as simple as that would have rallied a lot of the Arabs to her side.

It means Israel is using the current conflict in Gaza to expand into another Palestinian territory, the West Bank. They are already illegally occupying it. This is their move to "legitimize" the occupation.

You know it's bad when Saudi Arabia is the calming force in the region and pulling out of diplomatic relations with Israel while also renewing relations with Iran.

This is going to get removed. You might want to post this to the political discussion community.

How long before bed do you eat? And what kind of foods do you eat? Have you tried using the washroom before bed?

For the common people the economy isn't the countries GDP or some DOW Jones, or the value of their currency. Stock market values are useless for the middle and lower class when a small minority owns over 90% of them.

If left wing and progressives really want to address this issue then they need to stop using these kind of figures. They need to address what people actually care for. Everyday costs.

I guess Ukraine is making a final push before Trump takes office. It's a sad and haunting reality to face.

No he won't. He gets paid too much not to.

Edit: For those of you who don't believe me and are just downvoting me. Biden has received more money from Pro-Israel lobbyists than any other Senator in history.