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Ok great. Honestly I'm getting tired & running out of steam arguing with people.

Truth is this. When one of the first big lemmy jumps from reddit came I heard that hexbear was cool a leftist space. so hopped on. I was honestly disgusted by the comments i saw. I saw so many people arguing blindly for CPC and DPRK. Saying they were better than the US and calling anybody critiquing the bold claims they were making libs. such as "Cpc is the future socialism." And "all the bad things people say about the CPC is american propaganda. "

Basically same thing that happend here when I defined tankie as authoritarian communist . In fact I saw this kind of thing on reddit too alot.

I dont give a fuck what you say or what other commenters post. I've seen this phenomena myself. I've been called a lib, So many times, simply for posting that I don't support Russia or the CPC in leftist spaces. I'm sick of it.

So what are we arguing about? Is hexbear not as bad as I thought it was? Ok cool. Im wrong.

I know there are people in "your" community that are actual tankies. I've argued with them myself. Are you trying to say these people don't exist? Cuz If you are, You're the one that is full shit.

There anything else you want to debate about?

Disagree.

In fact I find it is a better measure of oppressive goverment than most indicators.

What you really mean to say is most goverments are oppressive and authoritarian. Show me a country with a large prison population and I will show you an authoritarian country.

Please see the zapatistas. For non police state goverment.

Stop using we. And us. You are not a representative of every communist. Lol

Ive argued many times on this topic. And I found many people calling themselves communists and blindly supporting CPC and The russia federation.

Stop acting like this isnt a thing.

I think your use of authoritarian is idealist nonsense

I disagree it has real implications usually the existence of a police state.

I am an anarchist . I am against police states.

China russia and the USA are all police states. They all suck. They all oppress their own people and others.

There is much nuance. But my beliefs boiled down to a sentence is this:

Fuck police States and fuck the people who support them.

I did not know that was the case. So I see your point.

I will from now on use CPC.

Ok. I wasnt argue to use it. I was just going off of what wikipedia said. Lol

I can change the term. Cpc it is

Thats why i am an anarchist......

Nope. I am just not blindly supporting anyhting called communism.

Becuase he is am example of a communist I support.

People keep calling me a liberal. Im an anarchist.

Other people understood that I was being sarcastic as well.

Well you got me. Maybe im not in the mood for jokes. I am so tired of having these conversation. It makes me so sad to see people supporting these countries.

Russia and china are not examples of a good government. Neither is the usa. I feel like im taking crazy pills.

Why did you single Sankara's Burkina Faso out when speaking of exceptions to authoritarian communism

Because i know about him and agree with many things that he did. Not everything, but he didnt build an imperialst nation. He fought for literacy and nutrition and anti corruption.

He didnt build a survelence network or invade another nation to my knowledge.

He fought for his people using the principles revolutionary communism and ML. This I support.

Just like i can recognize that the CPC does provide many valuable things to it citizens . While also recognizing that they are still authoritarnian.

Rephrased: If your one exception to "authoritarian communism" is a government that was overthrown by imperialism, what does this say about the use of authority in revolutionary states?

I dont know. Im not here to tell you how sankara could of avoided assassination. But I do feel that acting like Sankara is the same as the cpc/russia in any real way is kinda absurd.

Cuba is better example of communism than cpc. Once again they have problems.

Ultimately i am an anarchist, i dont think communism is the solution long term, but i would work with communists, As long as they didnt support large authoritarian governments.

I dont understand what you are saying here are you calling me racist again?

His country had corruption!

Im sure there is a better way but your acting like having tribunals makes you authoritarian.

It doesn't.

While the term was invented first to describe the event you have stated.

It is also used to describe the actions of the USSR toward the republic of spain during the spainish Civil war. Specifically how the USSR would not openly support the anarchist government fighting a facist coup backed by nazi germany.

Which is my whole point. The USSR was more freindly toward capitalist governments of Briton & USA at the time. Becuase they are a state and it was more benefical for the USSR to not support an active leftist revolution begging for their help.

This is why I use the term Tankie. Hierarchical goverments regaurdless of their economic principles will enevitablly trend toward fascism and authoritairnism. It is only a matter of time. The ussr cpc and other "communists" conuntries are no exception.

Communists have never truly support anarchist.

"Authoritarian" communism is not a real thing. Its some made political compass bullshit

Honestly reading this statement makes me so depressed. It makes me want to call more communist tankies because it fits so well.

Are you so foolish that you don't think a large government ran by a small group of people could not become authoritarian?

Im not a communist, i am an anarchist.

Ok

Lol you used the royal "we" In your original comment.

That's why I said you people.

Your really calling me racist for that?

I will change the way I type ccp to cpc. Thanks.

Acting like china and russia did nothing wrong is ludacris. They have fucking gulags and education camps.

Denying this does nothing good for leftist movements. It weakness us as a whole because we can't have real conversation about the future of leftism.

I don't have to support every government that calls itself communist to be a leftist.

I know that liberals use the term incorrectly. That doesnt mean I cant call out blanatant red fascism when I see it.

I was trolling

Your not doing very good job. Your just coming off as an idiot too me.

Do you think maybe he should have exercised more authority, better strengthened defenses and built up a stronger base for combatting imperialism, that he could have avoided this (I don't have an exact policy path, and it's not like Sankara didn't put down certain reactionary movements when necessary)?

Can you be more concise? Your run on sentences make me want to stop talking to you.

Im not here to go over the specifics of Sankaras's Decisons: But From what I do know. He fought corruption, he pushed literacy programs and fought malnutrition. All While resistsing western imperialsm.

Im sure he made mistakes and did some problematic things. As an anarchist I can appreicate the good things he did and be open to the concept that he also did bad things as well.

Just like the USSR CPC and other communist governments.

I'm sympathetic to Sankara of course, but if your ideal system of resisting authority succumbs to counter-authority, then maybe you don't have grounds to condemn greater authority exercised to these ends.

Your going to have to rewrite, this i dont understand what you are saying. Are you referring to me or Sankara?

He came to power via a coup, held military tribunals trying people for corruption, formed armed groups to defend the revolution, and was vehemently against NATO, the IMF, and other western powers.

You think trying people for corruption make you authoritarian?

Are you a liberal?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Party

Its both. Be less of a dick.

Thanks for post examples of modern day russia being authoritarian, homophobia is usually a sign of authoritarianism.

So i guess you got me. Russia still sux.

What was your point again?