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You could do that with any country that's had famines and disasters.

United States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl

Ireland https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)

India https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

First of all, communism isn't utopian. Even communists don't think it will be some paradise where all worries disappear. You'll still have to fight racism, sexism, bad weather, famines, etc.

But it's often better for an average person from a country of a starting equal level of economic development. You've got to give it the "If I was reincarnated in a random person's body, where would I want to be?" test. US is a good answer, but it's got a way higher level of economic development with a big headstart. Even then, you could end up in the hood and die early and stressed. When you give the test comparing countries of equal starting economic development, it becomes a lot more muddled.

Like, would you rather randomly live in Cuba, or Somalia? The place where you get free education, health care, etc or a place that is also extremely poor but you don't get that stuff? You could reincarnate as some rich, warlord there, but would you want to take that chance when you could reincarnate in Cuba as literally anyone and not be worried about ending up homeless? When giving realistic comparisons like this with proper historical context, and you do it over and over again, they tend to come out on top.

It also keeps being built in third-world countries, usually blockade, sanctioned, or regime changed by Western countries so it's also hard to tell without those variables. Although so far it has a pretty good track record for equal levels of starting development.

Not really. You're talking about what happened after the USSR. Which yes, was horrible for the quality of life of people who lived in numerous countries all over the globe, but that's more of an indictment of capitalism than communism. The looting of the government coffers to privatize everything and create oligarchs was a result of the post-USSR shock therapy.

That's been an issue in constant capitalist countries, too. That's not an issue of communism and is an unrelated complaint.

Sorry, had a busy weekend lol. Anyway, where were we?

I'm talking about proportional strike back. Israel has gone way beyond that, to the point that the north of Gaza isn't even livable in anymore. They've killed tens of thousands of civilians, numerous hospitals, refugee camps, cultural centers, etc. There's no infrastructure, no water, no power. People are starving to death and dying of thirst. It's complete annihilation.

Of course Hamas isn't going to give the hostages back for a simple, temporary ceasefire. It's their only leverage. It just leads to the same situation they were in before of slowly losing land and rights. They are not asking for absurd demands. They're asking for their rights and land back. The countless protests by families of the hostages proves Bibi doesn't care about them at all. They're a good excuse to keep killing Palestinians, but that's it. If anything, it's just causing the deaths of more hostages.

And your last paragraph suggests a very strange reading of history. Palestine has been defending themselves from settler colonialism and Israeli terrorist groups since before Israel was a country. Peaceful resistance hasn't helped at all. The March for Return just got them a bunch of dead people, maiming, and blown off kneecaps. They've been asking for help from the international community for 70 years and Israel refuses to let them return to their homes or form any sort of state.

They've been slowly losing due to Western propping up of this colonialist project. But people aren't going to just lay down and let themselves lose everything their ancestors have worked for for generations. Of course they're going to fight. They're not throwing a temper tantrum, they're trying to prevent themselves from going as extinct as the Native American, Australian aboriginal, or indigenous Canadians. Seeing that is just being realistic. You would do the same thing in their situation. So, if they want an actual solution, they can either complete their genocidal project, or try to negotiate for peace by sharing power and living space. Everyone who has a heart doesn't want option #1.

This is incredible. Like, it was always obvious from a gut feeling or seeing comments reposted in the exact same thread, but this makes it even more obvious.

Im no international relations expert, I just know genocide is bad. But, if I were forced into the position, I'd probably suggest striking back proportionally, then make a deal to return hostages. This would probably involve negotiating for a two state, or even better a one state, solution. Negotiate with PLO to legitimize them, take the wind out of Hamas recruitment by giving the Palestinians full rights and sovereignty. Get international agencies in, and not just biased ones like the US and Germany, to help negotiate this so everyone gets heard. Basically, do something akin to dealing with what South Africa did, or how LBJ would negotiate with MLK to avoid dealing with the more militant black movements, or how they dealt with the IRA (negotiations, not violence).

What do you call 34,000 dead, 2/3rds of which are women and children? And mass graves of 400 of women, the elderly, and wounded at hospital sites? What's the difference between mass murder and that? Or do you just prefer the word genocide? Because that seems worse...

Ya, Lemmy is so biased against genocide and the mass murder of women and children. It's weird.

Hamas did some war crimes by taking civilians as hostages, which is bad, and I condemn them. But they aren't perpetrating a genocide like Israel is. It's two very different scales of evil here, and it's important to point that out.

I think that person you're replying to's point is they won't be able to recruit at the same right without the huge group of angry, oppressed people that Israel keeps producing. They'll wither away out off non-relevance.

They said they would accept 1967 borders in their 2017 charter, so it's been done before. It was also less antisemitic than their previous charter. I think they're trying to be less extreme and more flexible to get more recruitment maybe, but that's just my guess.

Is that the Kobold Press book?

It's the new red scare basically.

The Chinese government doesn't own Tik Tok, either.

Isn't the rest of his cabinet picked based off winning a contest, being a family member, or having tits?

Tbh, I have trouble binge watching most shows. I can't watch more than 2 or 3 of the same show at a time. Idk why I have trouble with it more than others. After, I usually have to switch to a different show, or a different activity, like video games.

Well in Shakespeare's defense, he has to write full plays like that, while this person just got to focus on a scene.

Huh. I'm going to start doing this. I usually open them from the stem.

EDIT: lol fixed my crazy autocorrect mistake 🤣