SeattleRain @ SeattleRain @lemmy.world

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They're not two different things. They both incentivize the government to subjugate people to enrich themselves and corporations.

This means many innocent people are enslaved or are enslaved for crimes that do not deserve enslavement. That's why the US has far and away the most prisoners of any country.

It doesn't consist of all extreme views but many mainstream feminist ideology had extremists views.

Direct quotes are "insane incel bull****"? She really said that and the theme appears in all her writings.

Her and Solanas both argued men have to be castrated before a feminsit transformation of sexuality can begin.

She was and she says it in both that and other wrirings and publically.

"Male sexuality, drunk on its intrinsic contempt for all life, but especially for women's lives, can run wild."

"Hatred of women is a source of sexual pleasure for men in its own right."

She argued that penetration was a form of "occupation".

"intercourse remains a means or the means of physiologically making a woman inferior"

She labeled women that had sexual with men "collaborators".

But defenders like you will split hairs to make it seem like her demonization of male sexuality is just made up by her critics.

One major reason is that feminism, which deeply influences culture, posits that all men are rapists in the waiting. For an example here a quote from a prominent and influential feminist.

"Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman."

• Andrea Dworkin

This chills any frank discussion of male sexuality because that would be implicit endorsement of sexual assault.

Here's an example of a prominant influential feminist calling all men rapists.

"Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman."

• Andrea Dworkin

All she's saying is that she meant maritial sex is a form of violence because maritial rape was legal, which wasn't even true.

It's a distinction without a difference.

She did say it's degrading and a form of contempt inflicted by men on women. In the context of the books it's not at all unreasonable to interpret it as rape.

Regardless it DOES posit male sexuality and violence and degragation of women when it is expressesed.

Regardless that's her influence even if unintentional and it's all over media and culture.

I don't find downplaying the gentital mutation of innocent babies funny. I'm not sure why feminists do.

Okay whatever, I already explained my position. I'm not going to repeat myself to every bad faith actor that wants to their own personalized explanation.

Lol, they do not celebrate or encourage expressions of make sexuality instead they cite is all as objectifying just like garden variety feminists.

Nice strawman, I didn't say it turns you into a feminist. I said Christianity and feminism demonize male sexuality and that ideology is deeply influential.

But she posits that patriarchy is all encompassing and subordinates all women. Even the feminist that wrote the forward said that's what she meant.

Numerous feminists have said they interpreted that way. It's hard to take her denial seriously given the context of her book and the rest of her writings.

I already cited several scenes from the Barbie movie in this thread which was celebrated as a feminist watershed.

The Duluth Model of determining domestic violence another example. Child support is another. The banning of paternity testing is yet another. You're just being obtuse. I won't engage with you anymore.

I do understand "Toxic Masculinity". It's right in the word and is much like how conservatives would blame " black culture" for the societal ills of African Americans.

You simply denying that that's not what it is doesn't debunk anything.

And we have a term for societal expectations already and it's called gender roles. Which isn't a loaded admonishment like toxic masculinity.

All of feminism revolves around the critique of men which is an inalienable trait.

She did in fact say that and your link doesn't refute that. And sex positive feminism is not sex positive for men. As I've said many times before I'm talking about mainstream feminist discourse. Feminist always use this tactic of digging up some progressive strain of feminism knowing full well it's not influential.

Dworkin may have died awhile ago but her work is still regularly cites and studies by mainstream feminism and her influence can be seen in movies like the Barbie movie.

Okay provide some links to these mainstream feminist circles that celebrate male sexuality and or are sex positive about men having sex. I'm genuinely interested.