why are incels frowned/hated upon?
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(Framing what I said as defending bigotry does not change reality. It's preposterous to assert that women should not take precautions against the worst case scenario because someone's feelings might get hurt)
(I'm out for real this time. Seriously consider taking on a woman's perspective)
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(Sticking to your guns instead of seeking perspective does not merit a response)
Additionally, I really don't feel like rehashing every single point I just made with the other guy because you also think it's a matter of whether you agree or not. I linked resources. I spelled it out several times, honestly more thoroughly than I should have.
I urge you to look into it yourself. Seek what women actually say and feel and fight the urge to just tell them they are wrong because you feel personally attacked. It's not personal.
I'm out.
It may be conceptually wrong, but so is rape. So is assault. Those things being wrong don't make them impossible.
Therefore, it isn't wrong to be afraid of those things. In a perfect world, no one would have to be afraid of anyone. But also bad things wouldn't happen.
You can't argue this point away just because you're adhering to a specific political ideology about how the world should be. Reality is what it is. 1 in 3 women experience sexual assault of some kind in their life time. People who rape or assault will almost always pick a target they can overpower.
It might be wrong to be wary of men because they're men, but it's also reality that women have to do that.
I've said it a few times already: Don't take my word for it. Look into womens' perspectives online or ask one you know if they've ever avoided a man that sketched them out.
If you don't seek their opinions, what right do you have deciding what's right or wrong for someone else?
I'm hoping we see some huge fines in the near future on them, as employees raise complaints and even sue them for their practices
Thays the best case scenario. I'm just hoping that our bought-and-paid-for SCOTUS doesn't decide to rule in favor of the companies on a party line vote.
That would effectively transition companies in the US to be above the law with regards to workers rights. Unions would stop being a thing when companies can legally just fire everyone who tries. Pay discrepancies would always fall in favor of the payer. Forget about time off or Healthcare.
A ruling like that might set us back a century on worker's rights, and I'm genuinely afraid that our courts are capable of it.
Concise and to the point. Thank you for understanding this. Unfortunately, the other guy is dead set on not understanding it.
Go actually learn about the viewpoint then. The only one on a high horse is the person making egregious false equivalencies to dilute a very real fear that women have to live with.
And besides that, I'd like to see you argue your "that viewpoint is dangerous" stance to a couple of parents who are nervous about sending their daughter to a sleepover where the only authority figure is a grown man.
If you really don't get why there's a problem with that, maybe ask a woman in your life.
In the mean time, take your misplaced anger somewhere else. I won't be responding to it anymore.
You didn’t originally state
You’re moving the scenario
So.. I guess comparing this situation to something wildly unrelated to illustrate your point is only something you're allowed to do?
The concept is simple, and widely permeates media. I did your work for you and typed in the phrase "why do women fear men" into a basic Google search. Here's some sources for you:
https://www.tekedia.com/are-women-truly-afraid-of-men/
It's not my job to field your hypotheticals while you berate an idea that isn't even mine. I'm a man. I don't know this issue first hand, so maybe you could do like I did and seek to learn it.
In the mean time, I don't particularly care about how you choose to frame it or how ridiculous you think it is. It's not a concept you can just dispel by beating me in an argument. So either try to understand it or don't. But I'm not going to argue with you about it.
It's not unreasonable for a parent to not trust a single man with a girl's sleepover because they don't know them.
The fact is, you shouldn't trust anybody who might take advantage of you if you are vulnerable, particularly if they are in a position of authority, especially if they are the lone figure of authority in a dynamic where abuse is known to happen.
You wouldn't go to a sleepover with your boss if you thought he wanted to get in your pants, would you?
I'm not going to dignify the rest of that with a response. You can bark about racial equivalency all you want but you have obviously never been a woman cornered by a man who wanted something from you. The fact that women have to be wary of men isn't an opinion. It's life. Go ask a woman you know.
One thing about being a woman (which I am not for the record, I have a lovely wife who explains things) is that you can't just trust men. They can overpower you, and even though most won't, some will and there's no way to tell who it's going to be. That necessarily means women have to not trust men that they don't know intimately for their own safety.
That concept certainly extends to parents of girls. If there is not a female authority in the house, a sleepover with a man and bunch of girls is questionable at best and tragedy waiting to happen at worst, even if that man is one of their fathers.
It doesn't mean that they have to think that man is "unpacified" to call out that specific situation as inappropriate. It's just a boundary your friend now has to be aware of, and agree to let his daughter go to sleepovers in other girls' homes.
That being said, I wouldn't call this specific situation stigma from being a perceived incel, but more like parents being wary of a single man they might not know that well hosting a sleepover with a bunch of girls.
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Edit: There have already been a couple of real salty men who take issue with the fact that women are wary of men just because they're men. I get it. I've been there.
But I'm not going to rehash the whole argument I just went through because you might think the line of reasoning that you aren't a rapist means it's wrong for women to take precautions.
It's not personal. It's not a reflection of you as a person. It's just something women have to be aware of.
I'm not going to engage this point with anyone else. I posted some resources. I'd urge anyone who comes away from this comment thread with anger or confusion to just get a woman's perspective first and try to be open minded.
Basically it's the mindset of the Chalmers meme that makes an incel.
Am I doing something that actively repulses women?
No, it's the women who are wrong
As long as you don't subscribe to this line of reasoning, you aren't an incel
Of course. Why pay the $3.50 to actually produce it? The people who buy this garbage clearly don't mind being fleeced
Racist remarks
You mean like how putin criminalized being gay? It's one thing to make remarks, it's another thing to actually oppress a minority by claiming their existence is propaganda.
Nazi affiliation
So taking nazis from prison with the promise of a pardon if they fight on russias front line is.. What?
You're only saying that because you know what Putin is like in power
This is an incredible fallacy. I'm almost lost for words. First of all, any line of logic that relies on the premise "you're just saying that because you don't understand how much worse it could be" is just plain wrong. I could say with the exact same amount of confidence that you don't understand how much better it could be.
But also, Putin is by far the most dangerous leader the world has seen since Hitler. He's an actual fascist, who disappears people who pose any kind of threat to him. He's single handedly swinging his entire country into a war they don't want because he feels entitled to Ukrainian land.
I'd take my chances on literally anyone else who respected the vote. Putin does not. I'd take my chances on someone who would end the war. Putin will see a million of his own die before he even considers it.
Pushing the whole "Navalny was a nazi so he's automatically worse" is really downplaying how incredibly evil putin actually is. I mean, he's basically already a nazi in all but name.
Get out of here with your Russian apologetics.
I get the feeling it has to do with how wireless charging works. On a wire, a phone can regulate how quickly it takes charge or whether it does at all. I don't think phones are capable of that with wireless charging, which is exclusively how I charged my pixel 5 at night.
So it would get to 100% and stay there for several hours every single night. I didn't realize it was bad at the time.
It could always just be that I was unlucky and got a defective battery to begin with. No way to know for sure.
Toward the end of my pixel 5's life, the battery in it lasted about 10 minutes. The phone itself was 3 years old. It happens.
That's the point of what this guy is saying.
But the point of making batteries not easily removable (besides the waterproofing factor) is that when a repair shop charges them $150 to do it, lots of people will justify putting that money towards a new phone instead.
As someone who works on phones as a hobby, I've seen that the percentage of people who will either hire someone to do it or buy a different phone is near 100. It's absolutely an intentional planned obsolescence.
Thank you for the actual answer. I still think that's really stupid though, as you'd have to be a fool to vote for him on his record in congress. I think it's just as likely he'd siphon votes from Trump in that case.
That's fair. It'd be more than the court has done so far
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