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Seconding this.

The reason we even care is that maintaining two systems is heavily impractical and adds to confusion all around the world - simply because 4% of world's population can't bother to make a change.

We wouldn't care what you use - perfect barbecue temperature scale, length unit of football field, weights in blue whales - if it wouldn't affect the rest 96% of the world who have to decipher your blubber.

Everyone uses Celsius and metric, make a damn switch, it's not that hard and you won't lose anything. You only use it because you've used to it, there is literally nothing else to it. Everyone switched, everyone's happy with it. Do it already.

P.S. Also, Fahrenheit is currently officially defined through Celsius, as a scale that is at 32 degrees on melting point of water (0°C), and 212 degrees on its boiling point (100°C).

Let it sink in.

Fahrenheit is modernly defined through Celsius.

Does anyone feel the difference of 1°C?

1060 6g still flying

Sure, there's a lot wrong about the way we work with time and date. Months are not even tied to lunar cycles, we have around 13 of them in a year.

But conversion from 12 to 24 hour format is already there and easy to switch to without losing anything. Let's start going rational.

You claim "total war is justified". I say it's pretty much never justified.

What kind of fragile sensibilities are you talking about here?

Fahrenheit's hometown is certainly the metric everyone should use /s

Celsius is not arbitrary, it is based on objective physical reality, and the only arbitrary thing about it is atmospheric pressure, which is more or less equal on the sea level. The rest is us finding convenient patterns, not the other way around. 0-40 is not a scale, it's an arbitrary range and adaptation of Celsius to subjective feelings of hot and cold - one that you ironically need for Fahrenheit, too. Actual thermometers normally go -50°C to +50°C.

On sub-zero, it is the same idea: -5°C is a weather for a light winter jacket, -15°C is a weather for a heavy winter jacket, -25°C is for heavy jacket and some pullover, etc etc.

The 0-40 argument demonstrates that we don't need some arbitrary scale based on Fahrenheit's recording in his hometown in order to conveniently estimate temperature. The groups for each dozen of degrees are just for easy reference. 17 degrees is optional for your taste, to me it's light jacket weather in overcast or t-shirt weather when sunny. There are no perfect temperatures for anything and anyone, and it just doesn't make sense to get into more detail.

As per granularity, people invented decimals, but normally it's simply not necessary to tell the difference between 17°C and 18°C, let alone between 63°F and 64°F. There are so many factors influencing the temperature feeling, and one degree ain't one.

In my country it's normal to pronounce time in either format, and it doesn't make any confusion.

Also we don't use AM or PM when using 12-hour format: we say night/morning/day/evening. Like "3 in the day" means 3PM, or 15:00.

"Fifteen-o-o" works just fine as well.

Why should anyone cut time in two zones? How does it help or benefit anyone? If anything, it only serves to add extra confusion. In the era of electronic time keeping, there is a wonderful opportunity to ditch an extremely stupid decision that was proliferated by analog clocks.

We have 24 hours in a day, just count them one by one. Boom. Problem solved. No confusion, no complications, no nothing.

And get answered like: "2nd of March, DUH"

Then you map it onto Celsius and see 32°F is 0°C, 71°F is 21,7°C and 100°F is 37,8°C.

Which coincides almost perfectly with the 0-20-40 framework we intuitively use in Celsius. 0 is deadly cold without warm clothes, 20 is warm, and 40 is deadly hot.

Turns out Celsius is good for weather, too. or it's illuminati

No it's not.

What makes 0°F (-17,7°C) special for a human body? Is it the limit after which we don't feel any colder? No.

And what makes 100°F (37,7°C) special? Maybe we can't feel any hotter? No, we can. Is it the body temperature? No. What is it?

Maybe 50°F (10°C) is perfect? Nah, cold!

If we change 0°F to, say, 0°C and 100°F to 40°C, does it change the notion that 0°F is very cold for a human body and that 100°F is very hot? No, and as a bonus you get 50°F equaling that perfect 20°C.

Fahrenheit scale is super arbitrary and it's hilarious when it is posed as a "human-centric" scale. At the same time, the concept of Fahrenheit scale is unnecessarily complicated and the notion between Celsius is extremely clear - you can easily calibrate Celsius thermometer with nothing but kettle and freezer, right at home, right now.

Also,

• Sub-zero Celsius = very cold, snow doesn't melt, ice doesn't melt
• 0 Celsius = cold, ice gets slippery
• 10 Celsius = jacket weather
• 20 Celsius = comfy
• 30 Celsius = hot
• 40 Celsius = scorching
• Above 40 Celsius = deadly, leave the area ASAP (short exposures like sauna don't count). Also, fans stop cooling you down and now heat you up instead.

Simple enough.

I mean, first we stop bloodshed, second we start negotiations and high-level diplomacy.

War is currently the highest priority, and then come all the issues around apartheid and Israel's actions in peace time

Yes, with some of them coming back and stealing houses and murdering families, too.

Look, never have I ever argued they are right; what happens in Palestine is a bunch of war crimes and I really hope Netanyahu and company will suffer grave consequences.

People are super quick to trigger on the subject.

But human psychology is flawed, especially after traumatizing events; I'm only saying that it's natural for Israelis to behave this way, even if not right, and when people are fanatically holding some position (because they see the alternative as eventual death, y'know), hatred might not be the solution.

Right now, as people die, we should focus on what's effective, not a knee-jerk. That's why police holds negotiations with terrorists, for example. Because it's more effective at preserving human lives, not because they sympathize.

I want this war to end as soon as possible. Do you?

Total war is not just an abstract political move, it's an immense suffering and deaths of dozens of thousands of civilians.

It's easy to play political mastermind from the safety and comfort of your home. People who witnessed war know full well what it entails, and they know it's not just numbers and maps and politics.

It's blood. It's broken families. It's famine. It's the destruction of everything they valued. It's PTSD for just about everyone who managed to survive.

Think twice before saying things like that. Please.

That's not pure aluminium, it's chemically altered. Everything is possible.

Did Nazis get convinced they are baddies?

That's what's most important at the end of the day.

Also, the parallels are incorrect, Jews did not attack Germans

I know exactly 0 instances when hate and blame game made people reconsider

It's just generally hard to change what's happening and reactions of Israelis, this is deeply influenced by human physchology - all I'm saying.

No, because it's a natural human reaction on danger - they want to eliminate it, everything be damned.

Not even blaming them, despite them being super wrong with big consequences. All we can do is reach out and try to explain that their army is causing even more suffering some of them just endured, and that not all Palestinians are the kinds of guys who broke into Israel.

As an avid Palestine supporter, I gotta say the news is not about that, and bringing it up out of context is just the means to hijack attention to the position we're all already aware of.

This piece of news is good, regardless of the conflict. Might be a little weird for them to focus on that right now, might be a political game, but it is good regardless.

My congratulations to Israeli LGBTQ+ community.

I've read the last sentence with the air of connoisseur