SankaraStone @ SankaraStone @lemmy.world

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Yep, I only saw it like a couple of hours ago. I joined it too. But I'm hoping we can do more than just protest. Like organize to clean up a wetland or something. Or organize to petition the government.

Yeah, it's going to need mods (wanna volunteer?) and people to become active (I just made it today, haha). I just posted about it on the c/technology (on lemmy.world) thread I linked to above.

Hey all, so along with this post, today, I made a couple of communities geared towards starting and organizing a movement like the one in this post that has us working together to petition our government for redress on the anticompetitive behavior by the Google Chrome monopoly. I messaged Ruud and reached out to c/support because I have no idea what I'm doing and where or when it's appropriate to advertise the community and I'm looking for guidance. So if it's inappropriate here, mods of c/Technology, I apologize and please delete this comment.

But here are the two communities I made: !movement@lemmy.world !organize@lemmy.world

I want them to be a place where we can pull together like minded individuals of Lemmy and perhaps the Fediverse/ActivityPub together about a cause we care about and want to create a movement for. I figure c/movement will be were you can gather those folks c/organize is where you can have discussions and organize to take action. Perhaps there should be an associated matrix or discord channel for the second one.

I'd like both communities to be community owned and community-led. So on big decisions and deciding the guidelines, I'd like the community to call the shots while mods would do the heavy lifting of enforcing those guidelines and organizing things to where the community's voice can be heard (so for example, after having a discussion about guidelines, consolidating all of that into some sort of vote if there needed to be one on finally voting in the new guidelines). Anyways, rather than having a discussion about the communities here, let's have them over on the c/support thread (https://lemmy.world/post/2061735) or the communities themselves.

And the thing is we all have jobs, classes, family or something else entirely having claims to our attention and time, but we shouldn't give up or give in. Let's still figure out a way to persevere.

Sorry. I keep failing at tracking where each conversation's happening. Here are the complaint websites

https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/report-antitrust-violation (Lina Khan's the most vigorous fighter I've seen on these grounds in my lifetime).

https://www.justice.gov/atr/citizen-complaint-center

https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/antitrust/procedures/complaints_en

We're having a discussion about it here: https://old.lemmy.world/post/2060683

Those complaint websites are tailored to the customers who suffer from the decline in competition. We are suffering from Google using its market position to kill our user experience and options. As I understand, it's classic monopoly abuse.

In the 20th century, the US broke up the Hollywood model where companies owned both the studios and the theaters (how you have 20th century Fox (or just 20th century now) and Fox theaters). Google owning 75% online advertising and 75% of web browser share is a clear conflict of interest and you can see it from how they're pushing things like Manifest V3 via their browser (especially when you consider how Chrome is the default browser on their phones), now that it's the only browser that developers are increasingly starting to support.

If you follow that model, one thing that's going to have to be done is to have Chrome/Chromium browser development be broken away from Google proper. Google can't fund the developers any longer.

!movement@lemmy.world !organize@lemmy.world

Does that work?

P.P.S. If we can't find a Lemmy lawyer, I'm proposing we take this to the EFF and Louis Rossmann (who has experience lobbying for right to repair and trying to get legislation passed) for their help.

I am so disappointed. With that attitude, we can't accomplish anything. With that attitude, our ancestors would have accomplished nothing

Yeah, Lina Khan lost that fight. But he's not the only judge out there. And the United States isn't the only country Google and Chrome are responsible to.

Didn't the UK block the acquisition?

P.S. I thought I made my reply to your commment in another thread that I made instead of both yours and my comment being in this one. The post you were replying to inspired me to look up how to file an antitrust complaint with the US government.

Here's what I was referring to:

https://lemmy.world/post/2060683

Look, if Lemmy, NPR, and PBS can happen, then it's always possible to fork Firefox (or throw more weight behind the Servo folk who are moving towards developing the Rust web engine towards embedded applications to get it up to speed faster for general web browsing) if Mitchell Baker and search revenue approach to funding Firefox is getting in the way of having a fast, private, and secure browser for everybody.

But enough woah is me and our obstacles are overwhelming on here. In this case, if we do nothing, we get nothing. Especially if you're right that the Mitchell Bakers of the world are not behind us. I know we at least have an ally in the EFF.

P.S. If any lawyers and people really knowledgeable about web technologies and standards here on Lemmy can get together and help us draft something together that we can all send in, that would be amazing.

So we should probably get started sooner than later. Especially while we have folks like Lina Khan in office.

You wrote all this but you failed to mention that Google's using it's monopoly market position to force web "standards" unilaterally (without an independent/conglomerate web specification standards where Google is only one of many voices) that will disadvantage its competitors and force people to leave its competitors. The competitors need to sue.

It's time for Firefox and others to sue Google for antitrust. When you're using your monopoly to force web "standards" (instead of having an independent third party set standards) that cause developers to stop supporting your rival browser is clearly illegal monopoly actions.

Nope. Just being your dad's dad.

Once, ages ago, I tried to correct the math of the Editors of Shacknews' math and like you, I was wrong. I made it to the front page of ShackNews the next night, haha. I used the same user name as I used on a forum with my friends, so my friends all found it out, haha.

Is this for real?

I don't know. Would you buy Reddit shares when it IPOs if you saw what the users were doing and how they felt?

thank you. I believe you are correct about edge being the default pdf viewer. Microsoft made edge into a big fat one tool to do everything chrome replacement.

which turned out to be useful on a Macbook, haha. Annotating PDFs with a drawing tool wouldn't have been a problem on Linux.

So, it gets kind of complicated, but basically I bought the Wacom One to use as a drawing tablet with Windows, Linux, and MacOS for PC/laptop drawing programs like Krita and Corel Painter (Humble Bundle purchase). Also had an iPad Pro that was slightly busted to take notes on PDFs of Powerpoints using GoodReader. Now I can't remember if I failed to bring it with me or if it wasn't working, but I only had my MacBook Pro and and the Wacom tablet to take notes with for a couple of months. Apple's default PDF viewer Preview and even an app I had paid for a long time ago, Clearview, had no drawing annotation capabilities. But Microsoft Edge has a drawing annotation tool for PDFs that even Firefox doesn't have. I think it comes from Microsoft Edge being the default PDF viewer in Windows.