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Should be possible to just not plug them in.

But I have no idea why they are there in the first place.

This depend very much on how you define "fair," and how it is used in context.

So, I would say a system that only let's white male landowners vote is not "fair" because only an elite group gets to vote. But if their votes are counted properly, and their decision upheld, the election is "fair," and it's a democracy.

On the other hand, a system that lets everyone over 18 vote is arguably "fair." But if the votes are not counted correctly, and the results are false, then the election is not "fair," and you don't have a democracy.

To further the thought, I suppose that if the voting populating is a small enough percentage of the general populating, then it is not a democracy, rather than just a bad democracy. Not sure where that line is, though.

Vimes had once discussed the Ephebian idea of ‘democracy’ with Carrot, and had been rather interested in the idea that everyone had a vote until he found out that while he, Vimes, would have a vote, there was no way in the rules that anyone could prevent Nobby Nobbs from having one as well. Vimes could see the flaw there straight away.

-Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant

He had such a way with words, he did.

Yea. If we counted popular vote, rather than EC, that would not qualify him for president.

I'm not actually sure what happens if no candidate gets a majority.

It's not a good democracy, no. The fact that Trump is not following the rules suggests that it isn't a democracy at all, since we are voting for stick figures, not leaders. But he was elected fair and square, at least until we find evidence otherwise.

And again, "democracy" doesn't mean "good," or "fair" or "virtuous." We are none of those things right now, weather we are a democracy or not.

I'm prepared to argue that fake voting doesn't count.

we count ancient Greece as a democracy, don't we?

Last I checked, democracy didn't mean "fair," it ment that the leaders were voted into power.

I'm not suggesting that America before Trump was a paragon of virtue. But our corrupt leaders and wealthy oligarchs made America powerful to serve their own ends.

Trump is not serving the ends of American oligarchs. He's serving the ends of Russian oligarchs.

I think that if space itself is what is rotating, then speed of light limit does not apply. But if it's everything in the universe orbiting, as it were, a central point, then it would.

But if it is space itself rotating, then that would suggest some objective frame of reference outside the universe. Wouldn't it?

It's not a one-size fits all, that's for sure. But I have no subscriptions to anything, and I wouldn't describe anything I do with "work flow."

it’s absolutely insane to conclude that Russia controls western governments.

Maybe not governments in general, but Trump and his party specifically, doesn't seem too insane.

Don't even have to do crime. You can usually email the author, and they will send you a copy, quite legitimately.

I've done it myself a few times.

In that order.

Israel isn’t responsible for Trump remarkable attempts at destroying the US economy, USD, and the entirety of their softpower.

No, but they helped get him elected.

Not sure they did it on purpose, and it only affected the stupidest of Democrat voters, but any argument that the genocide in Palestine didn't impact our election is not being honest.

Bloody Cardys can't be trusted.

he just did it anyway

He didn't just do it anyway. I doubt he knows which ends of a patch cable goes in the wall, and which in the computer.

Someone who knew what he was doing, and why it was a terrible idea, verging on criminal, did it.

Ok, that is a bass rumble and a half. Gonna have to try it on real speakers.

Yea, we know. When is the last time a Republican administration did anything to help regular people? Or anything that might be good for the economy?

Doesn't happen.

That's why I specifically quoted that part, so if I was misunderstanding you, you could have corrected me.

On that basis, I think we are substantially in agreement.

I don’t think you can blame the prosecutors for doing their jobs (assuming they’re not breaking the rules in how they do it) under that system.

So, what did you mean by this?