Lemmy.world down, probably following the upgrade. A reminder to move to smaller instances for a better experience
I could list 50 reasons I could think of. Many of which would be even more offensive. I didn't sit patiently by watching June 4 issue 2910 go ignored because I was trying to over-react. In fact, I couldn't believe what I was seeing as they upgraded hardware June 13 and continued to ignore the June 4 issue on Github. Even further when June 30 deadline for Reddit API came.
I have been very wrong in how I dealt with it this past 10 days, as I did not come to understand how much the community has come to enjoy the environment of Lemmy. Talking to you has enlightened now just how socially driven the whole platform is and that any training and experiences I have running mission-critical apps with PostgreSQL and DB2 on production servers do not apply here and I should have realized just how wrong my social interpretation of the situation has become.
It's like watching the recent Nolan film release of Oppenheimer on IMAX. The massive size of the platters and how projectors have run into problems on opening night / first few days of showings. It's about the style and cool factors, just because Lemmy uses PostgreSQL I considered reliability to be important, but now I clearly see I socially failed to understand how much the community here has come to adore Lemmy history and progression.
Rock Stars being criticized about their style and use of the technology was a huge mistake on my part. It's all about putting on entertainment people like and the fans of the project are loyal to how it is done. I have been far too slow to recognize the "cool factor" of the Rock Star cultivation happening in front of me. I'm worried about the tire engine maintenance costs on an exotic sports car that draws huge crowds. Sorry I did not grasp that the crowds were so enamored and how that drives the project choices.
Heavy drinking, first time since New Years, reset my brain and I now re-interpret everything I learned about Lemmy history in a new light.
This year has been dramatic. I've seen a big increase of users with quality content doing deletes in protest of Reddit. And the shift to sites like Lemmy that are not as favored by search engines.
Reddit should have gone the other direction, become a non-profit, eliminate advertising, go back to open sourcing the code like they used to, and run on donations. Cut their staff of people that had anything to do with advertising and trying to market the platform.
For open source, I almost always found IRC was a black hole of information. All kinds of developers discussing things that never made it to search engines. It's a long tradition.
Matrix chat as the core developer hangout I find is similar
I find anti-science is going as Carl Sagan predicted it could in his 1995 book.
I do not meet people who would consider a microscope a useful tool to look at the virus. Their faith is in information on TV or websites, not even considering that the virus can be directly observed. I saw almost nobody asking for a TV show to show microscope footage and taking a test from a person and demonstrating it can be seen. Virus has been on Earth for millions of year, the microscope is the new thing they aren't facing.
There is a popularity aspect of misinformation. Sagan teaches about that too.
I find it is hard to understand. Because now we all carry around a smartphone and can look at Wikipedia and a variety of other sources. On almost any topic, it is accurate with citations. And it really does not take that many people to create accurate sources of information. Truth basically is singular, you can detail it backwards and forwards. We have public libraries full of accurate information.
What I do understand is that oil companies spend a massive amount of money on branding, marketing, sports, etc. The information people believe isn't just random theories against how fire burning produces CO2 and warms up the Earth. They very specifically believe things the marketing and advertising tells them to. It's a basic business formula to spend x percentage of all your income on marketing. It works across every field, for every $100 income you put $3 right back into keeping your customer "educated" from a voice outside the product material (such as product placement in a film, or a sponsorship message between news stories).
I find people will sell their souls for free songs, free websites, free TV channels. They just don't see how artificial changes in group behavior can become popular through marketing/advertising. They can't face that marketing companies measure increases in sales, and sped precise amounts of money marketing a hamburger shop that everyone knows is there, but still the signal directs customers to change their choice of meals.
Even religions that are not their own. It's taught. They can't face up to the fact that a person who is raised with no religion does not believe the book they believe. And if you take them to a country with a different religion or human language, they can't make the connection that it is all learned.
I can understand not having a skill from experience. Spending 8 years to learn how to do surgery correctly. But there really isn't a reason for humanity to poison itself with marketing and advertising that climate change isn't real - just to keep a specific set of billionaires in power.
We could pay for our TV shows, songs, films, website. Not poison our minds with falsehoods in advertising. That chain hamburger shop doesn't need to remind us it is there, if it's good, we will go get a burger. It's the motivation systems of misinformation that seems the hardest thing to understand and change. People can be incredibly attracted to things they find "funny" or "odd". humanity can be sold all kinds of products that are not good quality or even cheaper.... just by branding/marketing/logo things. I can't understand why people haven't had ENOUGH of it. Like even the Reddit API change was about adding more marketing and cutting out apps that didn't do Reddit advertising.
It's like religion people who believe the Earth is only 6000 years old or something. They know about Darwin's Theory of Evolution.... but I'm like, dude, that's done by walking around and measuring plants, animals, insects. We have microscopes and DNA now. We know the DNA difference between two kinds of birds. We know how a single cell from female and male come together and follow DNA patterns to create the whole animal, even humans! They just won't accept that DNA was after Darwin's time and proved he was right!
Cut down all the trees and put roads and buildings everywhere since year 1800. Start burning whale oil and then petrol oil as fast as you can. Make everything powered by oil. it's burning, like burning wood at a campfire. Do you see the smoke and gas? Do you think a car is not burning petrol? A power plant isn't burning petrol? Fire! It burns carbon products, wood, uses oxygen. It makes carbon dioxide. "A typical passenger vehicle emits about 4.6 metric tons of CO2 per year."
Here, can't we take something like a fish tank and put a burning candle in it, and show you the smoke and gas it creates.
Oh, they are dumping pollution into the river and you think the town downstream isn't getting poisoned? Who is the town upstream from where you live.
But the advertising and marketing of the oil companies 'inform them'. You can't convince them how fire works, making smoke and gas. And start counting up how many fires you see driving around on the roads of the world, and how many power plants are burning petrol, etc.
Advertising and marketing can convince them of anything, the stuff they believe just because snazzy presentation.
Just because you can’t think of another reason why they didn’t listen to you
I didn't say anything, I was entirely silent, when the June 4 2023 issue 2910 was opened. So I don't grasp why you think this is all about me. I never thought this was about me. The June 30 Reddit API deadline was what I thought this was all about when I was witnessing this.
I didn't do pull request and add a new developer in the mix in June because it was such an easy problem to fix. It was when on June 13 that they still had not responded to the June 4 issue 2910 and did hardware upgrades on lemmy.ml that I started to interpret the situation differently. Instead of responding to Issue 2910 on Github, that same day on June 13 I started organizing Lemmy-specific PostgreSQL instructions on !lemmyperformance@lemmy.ml because servers were crashing even after the hardware upgrades.
I now realize, today, that my whole approach to this comes from experience running PostgreSQL in "mission critical" applications. What I have done with DB/2 and PostgreSQL wasn't driven by social loyalty and "Taking on the Big Guys of Reddit and Twitter" that happens here. I've been all wrong to think that the developers don't know exactly what they are doing. It's like criticizing Hollywood for spending 3 million dollars on sets and clothes for 90 seconds of a film. I should have realized I was not understanding that social media sites run by social behavior models, not by technology concerns.
Elon Musk has done wild things since he took over Twitter and I didn't take it so personal. I guess it was my memories and personal experience with PostgreSQL that haunted me too much. I was wrong. And i see how the lemmy community is loyal, so I can see just how wrong I am about the choices being made.
the feature you suggest be ripped out is one that many people like.
ok, I've come to terms. I posed an apology just now on github, and I apologize to you.
I see now that people value the social outcomes of how they run the project far more than I realized.
You’re rocketderp based on your instability I’m guessing?
Yes. My name is Stephen Alfred Gutknecht. It is clearly detailed here on my profile that I am "RocketDerp" on GitHub.
Looks like your the only one that is nonsensical in that thread.
Issue 2910? The word "nonsense" is being discussed about a Lemmy TRIGGER on June 4, 2023.
I’m guessing you never worked on a group project before or have had anyone disagree with you.
You would be guessing wrong. Since late 2019 I am in constant mental anguish and barely surviving. My communications is a constant struggle and I openly disclose this so that it is understood, I am not attempting to cover it up.
I’m guessing you never worked on a group project before
The "i'm guessing" game. And I note you can't actually cite the Github issues by number (2910) or keep details here in fact. A lot of "guessing" going on.
based on your instability I’m guessing?
"guessing" again. Should I guess you do not know how difficult or easy it is to remove a TRIGGER in PostgreSQL that is causing server crashes?
You aren’t the victim here.
Why do you think this is about "me"? I haven't donated money to the project or had blind faith in the developers.
You’re the bully.
I'm beyond frustrated that they seem to be going so far out of their way to have servers crash that their motives for doing so need explanation. "Social hazing" is the best answer I can come up with. I've now outright asked why they are dong it, because the pattern of behavior with trying to let server crashes has been going on now for months.
I have to admit that it's amazing the number of people they have attracted with the server crashing. It's been a social experience in some ways like Elon Musk is doing with Twitter. Perhaps it bothers me when other people actually seem to enjoy it. That seems to be the hiveMind reaction here. In that sense, if it is "social hazing", it has worked very well.
You call me childish when you were the one that retaliated against the developers by creating rubbish issues? Ironic.
Actually they were sincere questions. I am not retaliating. I want to know why they are doing it. But you seem to want to avoid that.
it is disturbing how they are behaving and the cult following they are cultivating by having their servers crash all the time to get donations/etc. It's like someone faking cancer. And you seem to be unable to study the code and see just how easy it was to fix the mistakes they went so far out of their way to not correct.
It is you who thinks such manipulation of an audience, the server installers and the creators of content, is defensible. I watched them cover-up a PostgreSQL question as fast as they could when 0.18.3 report came in on install. It was highly disturbing and bewildering to witness this. Why do they want servers to crash?
Who stole your candy
Cambridge Analytica in 2014 seems to have turned much of the online population attitude to that of dismissing human beings in favor of memes and disinformation. and the player who seeded anti-vaccination topics since 2013 on the Internet, that was documented in 2018 by John Hopkins university. my "candy" would have been teachers like Carl Sagan having enough students in the population that junk information wasn't saturation... but since 2014 junk just seems to keep growing and expanding.
If you have the answer, and have had it for over a month
Why can't you say the same thing about the Lemmy developers? They are the ones who installed the mistake. now suddenly others have to fix their mistakes for them? It's really odd how you deflect from their responsibility.
Your entire response seems like "fork it", without anything in advance of that.
- Study the project leaders of lemmy, which I have done for hundreds of hours now. Analyze and learn, not JUMP TO "fork it".
- Criticize with critical thinking what they are doing. And contribute. Which I have also done. They clearly need to stop letting their anxeity of PostgreSQL be central to the project. There are tutorials on YouTube for example that can be shared. Or Lemmy communities.
It's odd, do you go around telling everyone who criticizes Elon Musk to "fork it" about Twitter instead of actual;y sharing discussion about the problems. You seem to show cult-like loyalty to Lemmy and intend to run-off factual criticism. I've seen people behave that way towards Elon Musk too.
You already have so much on your plate to deal with
What does that mean?
think it’s right that you have to shoulder through the pain your brain gets when you type.
It is doing anything, really. It became much worse in 2019, I still remember when I was more functional and I could write with far less pain.
I don't think you realize that avoding typing does not mean the pain goes away. Even speaking to people is bad, worse in fact, typing has less pain than verbal.
It seems you really want to drive me away instead of actually understand how much I struggle to write and speak.
You should take care of yourself more, and not put yourself through more pain.
How? By going from verbal to entirely giving up social interaction and social concerns? What are you suggesting exactly? Being dead?
Again, why do you keep bringing up American authors?
For one, I'm in the USA. And you must think Marshall McLuhan is from the USA? He is not.
Marshall McLuhan identified the USA as the world leader in media long ago, and I think his analysis was correct. I don't think it has changed that much in 2023, USA still leads a lot of media types.
No, why should I know who he is? How is he relevant to how Lemmy is run?
On the Internet, you can search. Instead, you go all "WTF" ranting.
so forking the project, and starting your own Lemmy-alternative seems like the logical next step no?
No, it isn't logical at all. People have set up Lemmy instances to 'fork" Reddit, and nobody comes. Why set up one more social media site nobody will use because audiences actually seek out what is popular. You seem to think code is all that matters, that quality actually attracts audiences. I suggest teachers like Neil Postman, they really spell this all out. The audience has to develop self-awareness of their compulsive media behaviors. Huxley was far more right than Orwell.
And if I’m being honest, I was seeing others’ pain, but I was mostly seeing my pain.
I find everyone is in pain, and often covering it up. I gave up covering my pain in 2009 and haven't turned back. But a lot of people want to deny the suffering in the world and do not want to see authentic pain. They want memes, superhero comics etc.
It is sad to me that humanity can not organize a mass funeral for those who died in the pandemic. There is so much hate and pain between people, online and offline. People seem to show trauma towards even basic medical science facts in 2023.
Take care of yourselves, y’all.
Thank you and love to all, have a good weekend
if you don’t want to be here, leave. It is that simple.
It's funny how you are projecting. You do not want ME here, you keep telling me to leave. If I wanted to leave, i would have left But you seem very confused. Simple flippant dismissal seems to be your approach to complexity.
But there were people who couldn't seem to associate that it comes from friends and neighbors and that they could spread it, and seem to think it is all about a laboratory or 'people die in hospitals'.
Yes, exactly, in a laboratory, not in friends and neighbors who carry it around and spread it peer to peer.
The same thing with computer virus, many users I have had to remove virus on their computer claim it magically jumped on their computer. When computers were not even networked. You often had to go track down who they got a floppy disk from.