Rottcodd @ Rottcodd @kbin.social

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Okay - let's pretend that everyone on this thread agrees that X is what "we" should do.

Then what?

Of course they did. That's the next step in the perpetual war assembly line.

The entire thread and the entire concept underlying it and all the other threads in which people yammer on and on about what "we" should do plainly miss the most crucial part of the fact that the fediverse is decentralized - it's not just that you don't have the power to decide what "we" should do, but that the power to decide what "we" should do does not and can not exist at all.

For fucks sake - which part of "decentralized" do you people not understand?

IMO, many (most?) people quite simply don't think about things. They just have some dogmatic positions they've taken for some reasons, and they regurgitate them as necessary.

And that's a lot of the reason that they so often and so brazenly misinterpret things other people say. They're not actually reading to comprehend - they're reading just to get enough of a feel for it to classify it, so that they'll have some (potentially quite wrong) idea of which bit of rhetoric to trot out in response to it.

Right, but of course if you don't subscribe to it (and nobody else does) then it doesn't.

So, for instance, if you go in through an account on a narrowly specialized instance, you're potentially not going to see a lot of the communities from other instances at all, even on their All, just because nobody's bothered to subscribe to them. And you'll likely see highly specialized communities that fit well with that instance that you might not see anywhere else.

The smaller the instance is, the more likely that is.

I have accounts on a couple of small instances on which I haven't even bothered to subscribe to anything, since their All already matches what I want frim the instsnce.

It's the entire reason I still own an original Xbox.

Right, which on a side note is most of why I have accounts on a number of different instances and regularly switch between them - because each instance is at least subtly different, since they each have different userbases, and thus somewhat different sets of subscribed and thus federated communities.

My vote for best - Secret of Mana

My personal favorite - Jet Set Radio Future

It's less efficient than a centralized forum would be, but efficiency isn't the only or even the highest priority. Decentralization is the explicit point of the fediverse, and to the degree that that requires sacrificing some measure of efficiency, that's just the way it goes.

The goal was to build a system that would be robust and relatively seamless while remaining decentralized. That's more or less what they've done. There's a fair amount of fine tuning and tweaking left to be done, and actively being done, but the basic system is what it is because it best balances all of the goals.

As already noted, on all of them.

The easy way to grasp how it works:

When you, on instance.alpha, view a community on instance.beta, you aren't actually on community@instance.beta. You're actually on an entirely separate copy - community@instance.beta@instance.alpha. That's the community you're reading and posting to and upvoting/downvoting in. Meanwhile, people on other instances are each on their own locally hosted copies of the same community.

The lemmy software (or kbin or mastodon or whatever) then periodically syncs up all the local copies of community@instance.beta, so you all end up looking at (more or less) the same content, even though it's actually a bunch of technically separate communities.

It's beyond an echo chamber in there.

It feels sort of like an isolated village of eldritch abomination worshippers in a Lovecraftian horror story.

Why should that difference matter, in particular when it comes to the principle I mentioned?

Because creative works are rather obviously fundamentally different from physical objects, in spite of a number of shared qualities.

Like physical objects, they can be distinguished one from another - the text of Moby Dick is notably different from the text of Waiting for Godot, for instance

More to the point, like physical objects, they're products of applied labor - the text of Moby Dick exists only because Herman Melville labored to bring it into existence.

However, they're notably different from physical objects insofar as they're quite simply NOT physical objects. The text of Moby Dick - the thing that Melville labored to create - really exists only conceptually. It's of course presented in a physical form - generally as a printed book - but that physical form is not really the thing under consideration, and more importantly, the thing to which copyright law applies (or in the case of Moby Dick, used to apply). The thing under consideration is more fundamental than that - the original composition.

And, bluntly, that distinction matters and has to be stipulated because selectively ignoring it in order to equivocate on the concept of rightful property is central to the NoIP position, as illustrated by your inaccurate comparison to a pen.

Nobody is trying to control the use of pens (or computers, as they were being compared to). The dispute is over the use of original compositions - compositions that are at least arguably, and certainly under the law, somebody else's property.

That's a term that might broadly apply to an awful lot of what's going on in the US, but I'm talking about a very specific tactic.

A very simple and exaggerated-for-effect non-political example:

An acquaintance comes to you and demands $100. You refuse and make it clear you intend to give them nothing. They then pull a gun on you and repeat their demand for $100. You steel your resolve and continue to refuse. It goes back and forth like that for a while, but you won't budge, so finally they say, "Okay then - how about if we compromise and you give me $50 instead."

That's effectively what Tuberville, through Sinema, is attempting. And it's a somewhat common political tactic - enough so that I suspect it has a name.

I presume there's a name for this common dishonest tactic of starting from a reasonable position, making an entirely unreasonable demand, then calling for "compromise."

Almost never.

I used to have it a fair amount, and medicate myself to avoid it a fair amount as well, and then just about exactly 20 years ago, in the span of about three days, I started feeling sick, got more and more sick, went to the doctor and discovered I had cancer, and had emergency surgery. Then I went through about six months of really awful chemotherapy.

I definitely wouldn't recommend having cancer as a cure for existential dread, but it worked for me.

Actually, I've found just the opposite - I've been more likely to spend more time on lemmy/kbin over the last couple of months than I spent on Reddit in years.

It got to the point that I'd just pop onto Reddit, look around, see the same basic variety of botspam, astroturfing and concern trolling, and go do something else. It wasn't even worth posting anything, since any response I got was almost certainly going to be from a bot or a human-who-might-as-well-be-a-bot, and it was going to be the same thing either way - just some shallow bit of stock rhetoric that at best might be sort of tangentially related to what I actually said.

But then I came here and rediscovered the pleasure of reading posts written by actual people who actually think about what they're saying, who will actually read and think about what I actually say in response, then write a response that they've actually thought about.

And that was it - I was hooked in a way I hadn't been for years on Reddit.

That said, it's nowhere near as good now as it was a few months ago, and I have been less active recently. The last big migration in particular, after the API changes went into place, led to both more bots and more humans-who-might-as-well-be-bots, and the quality here went sharply downhill.

It's still better than Reddit though. And it's been improving again of late.

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Lol, do I need to be protected from the pirates? Am I going to be taken away by the dirty criminals? Is this decreed for my own good?

Lol

When you point a finger, you point three at yourself.

It's not meant as a "magic buffer to criticism."

It's just a more polite alternative to "nobody gives a shit what you think, so fuck off."