Rottcodd @ Rottcodd @kbin.social

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You're fighting a losing battle.

The simple fact of the matter is that virtually every single human being is bigoted in some way or another AND virtually every one of them is convinced either that they're not bigoted at all or that their bigotry is wholly justified because the people they hate purportedly deserve it.

There's a particular set of bigoted views that's tolerated or even expected throughout most of the mainstream western internet, and according to those views, hating Christans (among others) is at least wholly acceptable, and generally even encouraged. And naturally, the bigots who do it are convinced that they aren't bigots, or at least that their bigotry is justified. And nobody is going to convince them otherwise.

Now, one could get around that, and particularly on the fediverse, by seeking out places that don't reward hating Christians, but unfortunately, those places are almost certainly just going to have a different set of people that everyone hates, and with the way society has divided up, their set is likely going to be even larger and more problematic than the set of people the first place hates.

Really, at least unless and until somebody manages to make a success of a site that actually takes a stand against hate broadly (instead of, as virtually all who claim that actually do just taking a stand against the hate of the groups they support and conveniently ignoring the rest), about the best you can do is settle for a place that's somewhat less noxiously hateful than another, and as necessary, block its worst elements.

And yeah - if you're so inclined, you can try to get the bigots to see the fact that they're bigots, but don't expect any good to come of that.

You don't need a mod or a bot to do it for you. You can go find communities on other instances and subscribe to them, and that all by itself gets them added to the All feed on your home instance.

Or you could just register an account on a different instance that slready has more stuff on it, like lemmy.world.

Hell no.

How does that "help" their feed? What possible benefit could there be in using a bot to subscribe willy-nilly to every community out there, no matter how shitty it is?

I mean - if some instance owner wants to do that, that's their choice, and I guess there are people out there who would like the resulting instance filled to the brim with every bit of garbage that exists anywhere in the fediverse, so it's safe to assume that somebody will do it sooner or later. Personally, I think the idea is repulsive though.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough in that other post - I think that the fact that each instance has a different "All" depending on what the members there have subscribed to is a good thing. It means that different instances have different feels, and over time, as they get more established, that's going to be even more the case.

So for instance, a notably tech-oriented instance is going to end up displaying pretty much every tech-oriented community on the fediverse on its All because somebody on the instance will have subscribed to it, pretty much no matter what it is, AND at the same time, all of the stuff nobody's interested in just won't be there at all, because nobody bothered to subscribe to it in the first place.

Granted that that's not going to appeal to people who want to be flooded with every bit of garbage on the entire fediverse when they click All, but they can just go away and sign up with some other instance that gives them what they want. Which I'm sure is exactly what the people who sought out a tech-oriented instance in the first place would prefer anyway.

Right, but there are lots of ways around that.

There's already been a fair amount of demand for some method to group communities by interest, so it's essentially guaranteed that somebody is going to provide some way to do that, and likely multiple somebodies are going to figure out multiple ways.

Note that this is one of the advantages of having an account on a smaller and/or more focused instance or having multiple accounts.

All "Alls" are not the same. Actually, the "All" displayed on a given instance is everything local to that instance and everything from other instances to which someone on that instance has subscribed. So if nobody from that instance has subscribed to a particular community on another instance, then for all intents and purposes, it just doesn't exist. Even on "All".

Granted that it's somewhat unlikely for an instance to not have someone somewhere along the way subscribe to some notably popular community, it is possible, and the smaller and more focused the instance is, the more likely it is.

I've reached the point that nothing Texas does even surprises me.

Weren't they threatening to secede?

I wish they'd get on with it.

Yeah - the whole dynamic of claiming that you don't intend to do the specific shitty thing that you then intentionally and specifically do is infuriating already, and "yuck your yum" just adds an extra layer of cringe to it.

Like I said, I'm sure it's just a coincidence that they repeat the word "community" at least 30 times on that page.

Oh, and this bit too, that I just noticed when I was counting "commumity"s:

Communities are the lifeblood of the Internet. But on today's Internet, they are not in charge of their own destiny. Instead, they are controlled by the large platforms that hold all the power online. It is time for a change.

Community Points are the first step towards a different future for online communities.

That's definitely just a coincidence and has nothing at all to do with trying to compete against the fediverse, which they definitely don't even pay any attention to.

Yup.

No - they're entirely separate.

Basically the way it works is that you never really leave the instance you're on. When you access a community hosted on that instance, you're of course on that instance. But when you access a community that's hosted on another instance, you're actially accessing a mirror of that community that's hosted on your own instance.

So for example, from your point of view, coming in through lemmy.world, the two entirely separate communities are android@lemmy.world and android@lemdro.id@lemmy.world. The first one is the lemmy.world community snd the second one is a local mirror of the entirely separate lemdro.id community.

Hope that makes sense ..

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that they repeat the word "community" like every fourth word all the way through that insipid swill. It's definitely not a pathetically transparent attempt to retroactively stake a claim on the term that lemmy - the Reddit to their Digg - uses for its subforums.

It reminds me of watching a particularly nasty break-up play out, with emotions running high and lots of bile being spewed.

I dunno - I never especially liked Reddit in the first place, so it's just a thing I see others do. I moved there sort of grudgingly about ten years ago because there just weren't any other visble alternatives, and I've been more or less actively looking for a replacemnet all along, so when the threadiverse took off, I was ready.

But I suspect that for a lot of people, it's essentially that they invested a lot into the relationship, and then suddenly their partner betrayed them, and now they're pissed.

The old mods have already left - the problem was that they locked the lemmy.world community behind them on the way out.

I know when this all started, there were some people who volunteered to reopen the community and mod it, and contacted the admin to that end. I assume this announcement is the resolution of that - when the additional week is up, the original lemmy.world community will reopen with the new mods.

Good.

I neither know nor care specifically what they were protesting or what they hoped to accomplish - I just want to see every single superyacht immediately vandalized the instant it gets close to any shore, anywhere.

I want to see billionaires made into pariahs. They should be hated - loudly and enthusiastically and universally vilified and condemned and harassed - absolutely everywhere they go, all of the time.

All billionaires are scum, without exception, and they should be treated that way, without exception.

I assume a fair number of people believed it.

Really though, I think that a lot of people don't technically "believe" things like that, because they don't even consider it that much. They just hear some public figure they trust for whatever reason make mouth noises that seem to have something to do with the matter at hand, and that's good enough for them.

My only question is why or how it worked…

Because "without a shred of ethics" describes most politicians too.

Most of the "work" of politics, at least once one is in office, is figuring out ways to justify doing whatever it is that one has been bribed to do.

So in this particular case, some number of politicians wre bribed to kill the high-speed rail project, so they needed some excuse to do it, then the hyperloop came along and gave them one.

It didn't need to be compelling or even reasonable - it just needed to be sufficient. And it was.

Why?

There are over a thousand lemmy instances. Two of them are being DDOSed. The rest are more or less fine.

That's part of the beauty of the fediverse. You're not locked in to anything. If one instance goes down, you can just access it through another.

I would think that the most notable thing that will come out of today is a spike in new accounts at a bunch of other instances. The fediverse as a whole will just keep chugging along.

It's not simply that people believe specific things, but that they define themselves in terms of what they believe.

And in fact, it's often the case that people invest in specific beliefs not because they've reasoned their way to that conclusion, but simply because they've effectively picked it off the rack of possible beliefs as the one that most clearly represents whatever image of themselves they wish to promote - it's the position held by smart people or enlightened people or trendy people or moral people or strong people or whatever.

So if you try to argue against their belief, you face two immediate and generally insurmountable obstacles.

First, they're psychologically invested in the belief, so if you call it into question, you're not just threatening the belief - you're threatening their self-image. Anything that casts doubt on the belief by extension casts doubt on their self-affirming presumption that holding the belief demonstrates their intelligence/morality/whatever.

And second, since it's likely the case that they didn't reason their way to the position in the first place, they can't becreasoned away from it anyway. So itvinevitably shifts back to their psychological investment in the position, and your attempts at reason are a distraction at best.

The point isn't to either support or oppose LGBTIQ interests - the point is to fund two sides who will then fight, and distract attention from their ongoing economic rape of all of us.

See... this is the point at which the whole conservative covid reaction, to me, goes from just weird and unsettling to full-on bug-eyed insane. AND hypocritical.

Their whole deal with masks and vaccines is that they should have the right to decide for themselves. I think they make dumbass decisions that cause entirely avoidable harm, but okay - I can grant at least some bare semblace of legitimacy to self-determination. I don't vagree, but at least I can see their underlying logic.

But banning masks? What the actual fuck? What possible difference can it make in their lives that somebody else is wearing a mask? And what happened to their whole self-determination thing? Do they sincerely believe that nobody should be able to tell them whether or not they have to wear a madk and that they should be able to tell other people whether or not they can? How does that even work inside their brains? What possible logic leads to "I don't have to do what you say but you DO have to do what I say"?

Seriously, are they literally insane? I sincerely can't think of any other explanation. It's not just people acting in some way other than my preference, but people acting in a way that's blitheringly irrational, even by their own principles.

I suspect that when future historians write about this era, they're going to call it something like The Idiot Age, because to them it will be marked by people inexplicably doing obviously and painfully stupid and irrational things.

Yeah - I never even bother trying to explain some point I know he's already addressed, since anything I might come up with is going to be inferior anyway.