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  • I think that’s the highest grossing movie in China. I gotta watch it sometime.

  • Chairman mao’s battle of words saves the revolution

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  • Fascists all around the world came to Ukraine. I’m guessing Russia will kill a lot of them, but the surviving ones once the war is over will be dangerous.

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  • Operative?

  • To be fair to them, all conspiracy theories have a grain of truth. Here in the US the government has tested biological and chemical weapons on civilians. Polluting factories and stuff also poison regular (non-white) people. They’ve tested nuclear weapons near people without their knowledge. MKULTRA and the Tuskegee experiment existed. The sad part is that the mainstream conspiracy theories distract from class consciousness. We know about this stuff, but we have a better framework than “da joos.” It’s funny that culture wars and conspiracy theories are themselves conspiracies. I’ve heard if you tell conspiracy theorists to do their own research on that then they may be de-radicalized.

  • Fair, it may not have been best for the world, but the people of China are doing decent right now.

  • Yeah… that’s why I see Deng as a complicated figure, who wasn’t the best, but didn’t totally deviate from socialism. Non-revolution-exporting and integrating into the world market to benefit from capitalism were beneficial in the long run, though.

  • Economic Freedom Fighters

  • Cool, I didn’t know that was a thing. Do the naxalites have any chance of winning anything or are they just another Maoist guerrilla group that chose the wrong time to start a people’s war?

  • I remember her saying she was a Maoist.

  • the Marxist-Leninists of all countries must relentlessly expose them, fight them

    Imagine people at the EFF read this quote and are like “I guess we gotta invade China now.”

  • Didn’t Maoist Paul try to convince anarchists to become Maoists by saying they’re basically the same and neither support AES?

  • I get that. Should we not try to work with them while trying to educate them more? I’m just wary of saying “we are 100% correct and we shouldn’t even care to work with anyone who differs from us.”

  • Here’s my position at this point: Left-anticommunists, sectarians, and revisionists are pretty much the same as liberals, but harder to convince. By revisionist I mean mattering to our own circumstance, not one who has a different take on history. It doesn’t matter if you’re a trot as long as you’re not a patsoc. There are reasonable people of any tendency though, especially on the ground. Thus, we should be nice and try to unite with anyone willing as scientific socialists. If you’re doing wrecker shit whether as an ML or anarchist you should get kicked. We are not at the point where most of our differences matter much, so we should try to join common orgs and simply occupy different factions. Remember the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks were one until after the revolution. We should focus on radicalizing more liberals instead of bickering among ourselves. The people here who are like “only pure ML ever” should go read the hexbear comments and this article.

    Finally, of course, everyone should log off and touch grass.

  • My problem is how do we know we’re correct? This is the same framing the Gonzalists have “we have to destroy all the revisionists.” Doesn’t every tendency think they are the most correct? Sure I’m pretty certain ML is correct but wouldn’t a trot think they’re correct in the same way? Why are we so arrogant that we know everything? In Plato’s Allegory of the Cave Socrates says the one who escaped the cave would recognize the light as truth and the sun as it’s source, but what if the people who see only shadows feel just as certain?

  • I like this perspective. These “leftists” are not to be unified with, but are pretty much more liberals to be brought to our side, and more difficult ones at that. This reminded me of how my conservative mostly “apolitical” “middle class” grandma was far more receptive than my insane anarchist aunt who thinks she literally knows everything (the income thing is flipped, but the point about “left” is still there). The annoying part is how “apolitical” people don’t want to talk about politics while those who do are harder to convince.

  • Sure, we try to out propagandize other tendencies and deviations. I notice another contradiction, though. If we are trying to draw those who aren’t already against us into our ranks then many of those people will be “apolitical” or only mildly interested, considering many with a great interest in politics (in the west) have dived into anti-communist lore. The most politically active may be already against us while those intactive may not “activate.” I guess we shouldn’t be arguing with the most committed online anticoms at the least. Maybe the best target is disaffected liberals irl.

  • So basically we just need to get more non-terminally online people to work with us. Get terminally online people to actually do the work. And get more unity and general strategy among principled real organizations.