PugJesus @ PugJesus @kbin.social

Cripple. History Major. Vaguely left-wing.

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[US builds the 320 mil platform]

Israel, ten seconds later: "Sorry, we've decided that US ships are a security risk and can't enter."

"Affluent Americans, now possessing a larger share of the nation's wealth than ever before, are also accounting for a larger share of consumer spending than ever before"

Tom and Jerry shit

Other than demanding a trans-pride NATO catgirl sticker on the instrument panel, I'm sure they'd love that too.

ONCE YOU'RE A JET
YOU'RE A JET ALL THE WAY

FROM YOUR FIRST CIGARETTE
TO YOUR LAST DYING DAY!

Non-Credible Defense, a shitposting community about international military affairs. The running joke is how everyone there is desperately horny for literal jets. Like, dress the jet up in a bridal gown and go to town on the thrusters level horny.

NCD in shambles over the fact that they missed out on getting combat aircraft for the price of a cheap car.

Just a flesh wound

A wizard whose primary job was at a (magical) Whitesmith's guild. He etched his spells onto sheets of metal, inlaid his armor, and constantly talked about how guilds were part of a functioning society, unlike those peasants and lords, and definitely not a bunch of monopolistic corporation-cum-ruthless-gangs and how it was definitely just a coincidence that the son of the previous ruler was always elected in their city.

UM AKTUALLY MOMENT:

Aeneas was Anatolian, so the rumble should've happened with Turkiye.

Peals of hideous laughter at being able to fuck over us poors for so long.

Yeah. Israel is just pursuing outright genocide.

It's not exactly news. Hamas seizing aid meant for civilian use was going on before Oct 7, it kept happening after Oct 7, and it is happening now. It will likely continue to happen. It just doesn't justify cutting off aid in an attempt to starve both Hamas and the civilian population of supplies.

Loss of supplies must be accepted in extreme circumstances, even to shitheads.

Tell me you don't understand the byzantine federal bureaucracy without telling me you don't understand the byzantine federal bureaucracy.

WASTE NOT

"Mind if I have a bite? Always wondered."

at a certain point, you have to recognize that “not as bad” is still “Bad enough”.

Fuck man, have you looked at the international scene? The Middle East more than most? We don't have 'good' choices, they're all 'bad enough'. And inaction is a choice just as any other. Inaction SHOULD be chosen in many scenarios - but because it is often the best choice, not because it relieves moral responsibility. It doesn't.

The moral option is to pick the path with the least bad outcome.

Israel and Netanyahu are probably going to accelerate the genocide no matter what we do. Iran getting involved will make it worse. doesn’t mean we need to fucking support the genocidal maniac in committing more genocidal maniac- and remember, Netanyahu et al want to have a war with Iran, too.

No longer supporting the ongoing genocide is a very different issue than allowing Iran to attack Israel. Discouraging Iran from attacking Israel is not supporting one genocide - it is preventing another.

Your acting like it’s somehow hypocritical to condemn both countries.

Am I? News to me. I stated outright that Israel is committing genocide currently. How much harsher do you want me to get in condemnation? Is 'genocide' no longer the lowest sin a country can commit? Do I have to invent a new form of democide to assign them before my condemnation is strong enough?

it’s not. it’s hypocritical to not condemn both countries.

It's not about condemnation. It's about what happens if we allow Iran to provoke a war with Israel. It's inhumane to demand another 100,000+ (assuming it DOESN'T kick off WW3) added to the body count because 30,000+ have already been killed. Why? What does allowing Iran to attack Israel solve?

Materially speaking, what are the effects, and can you answer for them?

it does. but so does Israel picking this fight. I don’t think anyone has the answer to conflict in the middle east. And nobody has had the answers in very long time. I certainly don’t. But constantly defending Israel when it’s obviously bullying other nations… is just as bad as letting Iran attack Israel.

Is it? Are two massacres more right than one? If it was a question of "Let Palestinians be genocided OR let Israel be attacked and potentially start WW3", I might be inclined to agree on principle. But it's not an either/or. Iran isn't going to knock out Israel in three days. Genocidaires tend to intensify their genocidal efforts when under attack, not diminish it. Letting Israel get invaded just means that we have a massive body count of Israeli civilians in addition, not instead of the Palestinian genocide.

Defending Israel against outside attack is the less bad option for now.

Ultimately, we should decouple from Israel completely, but even then, the more invasions of sovereign countries are tolerated, the more it will happen. That's one of many, many reasons the Iraq War was such a colossal fucking atrocity.

I would like to emphasize that my position on genocide is the same - the more it is tolerated, the more it will happen, and the moral move would be to put immense pressure on Israel to cease its ongoing operations and restore the flow of aid to Gaza, at minimum.

No, but we need to be more nuanced than this. His vows of “ironclad” support echo the earlier misguided vows.

It's tone-deaf at minimum. But world politics are often performed on the public stage. I don't know if there was another viable answer he could have given as POTUS.

We can’t be world cops. And certainly can’t allow genocidal maniacs drag us into WW3.

That precludes giving Iran an open shot to make an attack on Israel. That has the potential to set most of the Middle East aflame, metaphorically speaking.

our commitment to Israel’s security against these threats from Iran and its proxies is ironclad.

"Hey Iran, feel free to attack Israel" would not exactly be a recipe for LESS death and destruction in the Middle East.