Discusión Random Semanal - Semana del 9/06/25
Agreed.
I think it's valid to want to defend those who you feel compassion and closeness to from those you perceive as threats.
Como el dogma de la lógica y la deducción dices tú?
Aersh.. Demostremos que la lógica funciona sin utilizarla.
Ojalá fuera homosexal. la vida sería tanto más fácil.
No me dejan por puto.
Todas las civilizaciones de la historia de la humanidad han estado igual de convencidos que nosotros que ellos sí entendían la realidad tal como era, convencidos que sus rituales, objetos sagrados y autoridades eran la forma correcta de llegar a la verdad con el grado de certeza correcto, pero nostros sí sabemos como porque chamullamos, después vemos si los chamullos parecen funcionar, vemos si funcionan varias veces tomamos notas y después discutimos al respecto aplicamos el ritual de turno método científico? Y nuestro uso de instrumentos sagrados herramientas de medición que tienen 50 mil dígitos de presición, eso sí nos hace los mejores divinadores del destino predictores de fenómenos naturales? Ahora sí sabemos bien porque sabemos mirar cosas muy chicas y muy grandes e ignoramos todo lo que nuestros intrumentos son incapaces de percibir?
...Y esto no es dogma porque... erm...?
No lo sé, Rick... Vale la pena por lo menos considerarlo, o no?
Agreed.
It's what some people say to others when they want to call them naive, silly or childish but in the absolutely nicest possible way. <3
You know, intolerant people are people too, just like you and me. They have feelings, hopes and dreams. Biggots are also human beings. Hell, even nazis are people too. If listening to this bothers you, I don't know how to break this to you...
I agree with basically everything you say until you establish the sole culprit of all ills being a socioeconomic philosophy. Everyone's favorite culprit of the ills of society is capitalism. Not that I have any sympathy for it. It's just the flavor of subjugation that was working last century. I've also seen hypernormalization and I enjoyed it very much, but I think Curtis has the same issue you're having. Theocracies, feudalism, centrally planned economies such as those that communism often push for, monarchy and anarchy don't do any better. They all enslave people in their own ways.
The way I see it, the world is run by empires, their vassals and then there are client states and places where there's nothing to steal left. Empires stay dominant by harnessing the power of three things: thought control, warfare and slaves. Always has been like this and it still is. Show me any human society of over 100.000 people where their most underprivileged aren't being horribly abused. You might point to scandinavia, but... Who makes their phones and electronic devices? Who handpicks blueberries for them when it's winter on their hemisphere? Who ends up paying the price for the weapons, the oil and the drugs they sell?
They just managed to sweep their slavery under the rug, just like we comfortably buy our presliced bacon and have a delicious breakfast without ever having to face the death of the animals that were sacrificed for them.
If you think any system fixes what you're describing, i ask you to paint a picture for me and tell me why it will not eventually devolve into the most ruthless members within eventually getting to positions of power (be it within the private sector, the government or a dominant religious institution) and becoming even more corrupt. I don't even need any historic examples of it working. Just what it would look like.
Cause empires, societies and ideologies have life cycles, just like organisms do. Sometimes they can renew themselves and gain new strength after big events or compelling leadership come by, but they all collapse eventually. In the vedas they describe the golden age, silver age bronze age and eventually the kali yuga of societies, where corruption, depravity and distrust become so widespread the people stop believing in anything and no longer care about anything but themselves. In the west we prefer talking about decadence, and it's always the same. Be it with the mongols, the romans, the french, dutch, chinese...
The people on top get so rich it poisons their minds and alienates them from society. The hierarchies become distant from each other, a peasant or slave so far removed from an emperor, they're unable to consider each other human. The creation myth and the promises of a better tomorrow for all becomes evidently a lie and people stop finding meaning in unity.
Cults of abundance and paganism emerge (cryptobros, technocrats, ecoterrorists, utopian marxists, etc). The people that can afford to drench themselves in hedonism (all decadent empires become completely obsessed with food, sex, drugs, sports and entertainment) while the underprivileged do the shit work and die in wars. Most people stop having kids. The blatant hypocrisy makes people claim for a hero and populism emerges. Unrest comes. Revolutions start bubbling and get crushed by the forces that are kept well trained and fed by the corrupt leadership, until eventually, either some other emergent and younger empire sweeps in or a revolution becomes successful.
Doesn't really matter which of those happens. The result is the same. The poor get it the worse, the rich flee or break deals and only end up inconvenienced and humiliated but not dead, and people in between either go to other parts of the world because "fuck this place" or become slaves to the new regime, which will do the same thing all over again.
This is no different than a rotten tree falling apart and if you think killing every last capitalist, intel agent and rich person will make any difference, I'd say you're not looking at the big picture.
The problem with polarization isn't that you the powerful remain in power and keep oppressing the poor. That part's inevitable. The problem is they show weakness to foreign enemies who start sharpening their teeth. Then come the proxy wars and if a direct confrontation can be avoided, whoever loses must forever pay tribute to the victor... until it happens to them.
Nature is unfair, life is unfair and politics and societies are extremely unfair and cruel. Doesn't matter what systems or leaders you choose. Take your pick. Nations either run on warfare, slaves and propaganda, or are the victims of those that do.
weird idiosyncrasies
Agreed, ChocoboEnthusiast
Pero qué michi más sabio.
Yo le tengo fe!
Gracias, estimado. Te agradezco profundamente tu apoyo y tus palabras.
No hay nada que me daría más alegría que ver un Chile y un mundo unificado. Quiero creer, pero está difícil.
Qué soñaste?
La religión:
- ✅ Promete la posibilidad de algún tipo de futuro esplendoroso
- ✅ Entrega un sistema de valores y prioridades a los que apegarse para llegar a este futuro
- ✅ Establece criterios para diferenciar cosas que están bien y mal con respecto a estos valores
- ✅ Habla de fuerzas, mecanismos o entidades que son más importantes y poderosas que el individuo pero que no son del todo comprendidas
- ✅ Cuenta con una serie de pensamientos y actividades grupales que hay que compartir y llevar a cabo (rituales) por el bien propio y de los demás.
- ✅ Tiene una serie de pensamientos prohibidos, que por solamente creerlos se está haciendo un mal. Peor incluso es hablarlos.
- ✅ Genera una serie de autoridades en su comunidad de fieles, con líderes de pensamiento que pueden orientarnos en la correcta interpretación de sus creencias y cómo aplican caso a caso.
- ✅ Motiva a algunas personas a hacer grandes sacrificios o cometer actos que en su ausencia serían impensables.
- ✅ Forma parte fundamental de la identidad individual y grupal de la gente. Las personas no meramente creen en su religión/ideología. Son de una religión.
- ✅ Genera fricciones y agresiones entre sus creyentes y aquell@s que no comparten sus valores, percibiéndolos contrarios a sus objetivos, incluso por el hecho de sólo creer en cosas incompatibles
- ✅ Cuenta con mensajeros/profetas que fueron capaces de comunicar su credo, figuras fundacionales sagradas que son objeto de veneración y una historia de personas que se consideran ejemplos a seguir de sus fieles, frecuentemente mártires que sufrieron por sus convicciones o combatieron por difundir el credo/su práctica.
- ✅ Cuenta con miembros que son incapaces de aceptar que puede existir una diferencia entre la visión de mundo que se genera a partir de sus creencias y la realidad
- ✅ Hace que muchos de sus fieles se sientan personalmente atacados si sus creencias si quiera se ponen en duda como una verdad innegable
claro.