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  • No, it's the other way around: Propaganda is trying to influence one's political beliefs. Most news is propaganda, political memes are propaganda, "go vote!" signs are propaganda, uncle Sam is from propaganda, etc.

    I'm talking about the neutral definition. From Wikipedia:

    Beginning in the twentieth century, the English term propaganda became associated with a manipulative approach, but historically, propaganda had been a neutral descriptive term of any material that promotes certain opinions or ideologies "Ideology".

  • So in the interest of that, you chose to deny that Tiktok is used to push CCP propaganda.

    There's a difference in not knowing and denying.

    Some of the Western platforms run by billionaires, yes, whom I explicitly compared to the CCP in the original comment.

    Yeah, when you ignored the context of the OP.

    You think it's the US government which is pushing Facebook and Twitter to censor Palestinian voices?

    Are you always this nitpicky?

    But you'll tolerate it, if it pushes one view you do like? Or just if it's not done by the West?

    No. I prefer a wide range of different news sources where I can judge the biases. I can still get good information from Tiktok if I know that I should be critical concerning anything about China's policy.

    So you'd prefer it if Facebook/Twitter/Google/Microsoft/Amazon are the only ones in control of mass online discourse? (That's the type of strawman you're constructing of me)

  • I happen to like that tiktok spreads information about the genocide in Gaza, which is being shadowbanned on the western platforms.

    Context is important. The current context of the tiktok ban is that it's hard for the US to control the political message with that big of a platform not under US control.

    I happen to dislike censorship, even if it is done by the west.

  • My point is that propaganda is not necessarily evil. I dislike propaganda from the CCP as much as the next non-tankie. But claiming "this platform is spreading propaganda, therefore evil" is ignorant as best and condoning the other imperialist propaganda at worst.

    Know it's from China and don't believe anything Tiktok says on the CCP. Done.

    I happen to like the Palestine propaganda on Tiktok and dislike the imperial core censoring dissidents, that's all.

  • My point is: if we all would use a more broad definition of the term propaganda, instead of calling nothing but political messaging we didn't like propaganda, we'd all live in a more politically literate society.

    I think this meme actively reduces media literacy.

  • The researchers found that while TikTok might not deliver more pro-CCP content, it did deliver less anti-CCP content than the rival platforms.

    Umm, that's not really propaganda, homie. That's simple censorship. There's a difference.