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Do you realize that you're advising OP to ignore a mod (in a reply to said mod) of this community who is being perfectly chill while informing OP about the published rule 3, which the community mods have stated they're being relaxed about while so many new Lemmings are joining, but not giving up on forever?

Rule 3 is quoted below, and helpfully directs people to active communities that are dedicated to support:

Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, find help in the list of support alternatives below

As an individual?

• Browse for communities to sub on lemmyverse.net rather than your instance's community list. It will show apples to apples activity rankings.
• If you do use your instance's community browser, cross-reference subscriber counts by visiting the community's page on its home instance. That will provide a comparable sub count to what's shown for local communities on your instance.
• Pay attention to how mods behave. Do they have a well-specified set of rules in the sidebar? Do they organize megathreads when necessary? Stalk them on the modlog to see if they are fairly enforcing the rules or power-tripping. This gives you a metric other than size to evaluate community health. One prominent sports community on Lemmy.world recently became the largest for its topic in the most recent user-signup wave while effectively being unmoderated. It overtook an older, more established, and better run community on another instance and it's too late for accurate size-metrics to help anyone understand the difference between these communities now. You have to look at mod activity to see that one mod team solicited community feedback on rules, enforced them fairly, set up raceday discussion threads, and had fruitful policy discussions and calm disagreements with subscribers. The other was absent for days at a time, ignored mentions, didn't set up rules, ignored conflicts between users, the showed up to remove posts trying to jumpstart policy discussions, and basically was AWOL until some users of the community petitioned the admins to take over the community. It's probably going to head in a better direction now that there are finally more mods on board, but its dominant growth phase occured while an absent mod was squatting it and doing nothing much of use, the only thing that mattered was being on lemmy.world with misleading subscriber counts and that was enough to become what is now genuinely the biggest community for its topic.

As the threadiverse overall, I think community discovery within Lemmy just has to be a lot better. I'm not sure what that looks like in its entirety, but I'm confident that a critical piece of the experience is comparable activity metrics for local and remote communities being prominent in Lemmy's native community browser.

I blame unfederated subscriber counts. If you look up any community from an account on lemmy.world and there is a local version and a remote version... the local version LOOKS bigger when it's about half the size because the remote version only shows subscribers from lemmy.world whereas the local version shows subs fediverse-wide.

If sub counts were apples to apples for remote and local communities, people would much more frequently sub to the bigger remote comminity. But lemmy.world is so big, that when people are subbing locally because they're confused about which is bigger... the lemmy.world community actually becomes bigger very quickly. So it's winning the community scaling races consistently on pure confusion. The resulting community centralization is not all that healthy and they often overtake better run and more established communities for no meaningful reason.

I'm choking in desktop browser and in liftoff. Jerboa seems ok. It's weird to me how different clients react differently, I'm not sure how they interact differently.

REAL LOUD

Then again most nations aren't federated, as such don't have feds, so you should be able to figure that out...

If you want useful help, be explicit. Nobody is here to play guessing games because you can't be arsed to state your jurisdiction and the world is full of federal police forces outside the US, including AFP and BPOL.

I'm fairly certain the legal ramifications are the same whether It's GNU Social or Kbin. Sure platforms like Mastodon & Friendica give you more options for "defederating" "bad actors" than Pleroma or a NOSTR relay, but even that only does so much.

Hosting a CIFS server on a private network is on-topic for this community and has a wildly different liability profile that federated apps, which your post said nothing about.

Does it support setting a proxy? An intercepting proxy with debugger features might give you the details you're missing. https://mitmproxy.org/ is one popular/free option, though there are many others.

Mitmproxy even supports a transparent mode, though that requires more network shenanigans to set up. If an explicit proxy is supported in redball, that's definitely easiest to configure.

You haven't discussed either your jurisdiction or what you're worried about hosting. But in general, if you're hosting a service for others... yes... they can create legal liability for you. And with lemmy specifically it's not just what your users create, but what they subscribe to since subscribed content gets replicated to your instance and then served to the unauthenticated public internet.

People/companies obviously do host things safely, but you need to learn how things work in your local jurisdiction. Like on the US, you need to register as a copyright agent to get DMCA protection, failure to do so could expose you to personal liability for the copyright infringement others sub/create. For CSAM (aka child porn), you may be required not just to remove but to report it as well.

There are definitely people hosting Lemmy instances today who have no understanding of the legal implications of doing so are are not taking the necessary precautions to protect themselves. The vlemmy instance just disappeared without warning or communication, and while no one knows why, it's not out of the question that they got spooked by a child-porn situation or got their server raided by police (this is speculation, but it's possible). Other instances will disappear at some point when admin responsibilities get real.

Your most important responsibility as an admin is understanding the legal/compliance environment you operate in and doing whatever is required of you to host safely. It's not a trivial task, but people do it successfully.

Yeah, fair. I feel like I recall them mentioning an auto-updater that they hadn't yet set up but planned to.

Folks that want to get faster updates can certainly use the voyager Dev's instance... it's the source after all. For someone like me that doesn't want to enter their credentials into a 3rd party proxy, I've been testing world install of voyager alongside Jerboa and Liftoff and it's been a solid option.

I don't see anything in the instance rules about bots: https://mastodon.world/about (yes, that's a mastodon instance, it's linked from our instance sidebar... the admins are the same and that's where they post the rules for both).

The backend versions are real close. So it doesn't FEEL like it should be an API issue. But lemmy.world is a heavily tuned instance that often runs pre-release code that hasn't yet been merged upstream in order to deal with its large scale. It's possible some API behaves differently, but to get meaningful help I think it's likely you'll have to debug it down to a particular API call and post the whole request/response from the two servers (omitting credentials).

Separate from your issue, is your code open-source? I profile stalked you to see what you might be doing and saw your test posts look like a sports community. I know the mods of !formula1@lemmy.ml are on the prowl for helper bots for raceday threads and such so I'm trying to keep an eye on what's available.

If I had to guess, I'd say lemmy.ml is overloaded and to try again. I think I uploaded an image a few days ago via Jerboa but I've been testing different clients and it's possible I used Liftoff which is another popular android client you could try to see if it behaves differently.

Also, this is the wrong sub for support questions. See rule 2 in the sidebar.

Try these steps:

1. Logout via Home -> Hamburger menu -> accounts are at the top, click there and sign out. Try signing in, did you win?
2. If not, sign out again then long-press the app icon from your android launcher screen and select App Info, or find another way to get to the android settings screen for Jerboa and Clear Cache and Clear Storage. Try to log in again, did you win?
3. If not, sign out again and sign back in. Did you win?
4. If not, cry because I’m stumped. You could also try liftoff, which if you weren’t logged in prior to yesterday shouldn’t have a cached broken session. Or install the PWA from lemmy.world via Firefox mobile. Or use the brand new Voyager setup at m.lemmy.world again as a PWA via Firefox mobile. Of those, I like Jerboa and liftoff best.

The lemmy.world instance has its own voyager install at m.lemmy.world so you don't have to enter your creds into a 3rd party proxy.

I'm not experienced at cleanup, and I don't think lemmony offers an undo. But if you used an account other than your primary... I think deleting that account will nuke its subs and you can start over. If I'm wrong, this may leave a bunch of orphaned subs with no user and no way to write an api-script to unsub.

In either case, I do recommend doing your automated subs on a different account and viewing them in all rather than directly subbing your main account to all that junk. It definitely give you more options for cleanup.

Yeah, they get federated as a new edit message. Not sure whether they get stored in the db as edit entries, or if the DB actually just modifies the original... but edits federate.

I think it was more that Marko hasn't liked his performance this season. It seems as though Marko was the one that pushed for de Vries when Horner and Tost had other preferences. Marko has been brutal toward him recently, but I think that's a change and a reaction to missed expectations.

Supporting quote from https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/37926391/red-bull-boss-admits-horner-right-doubt-de-vries :

Asked on The Inside Line podcast if he and Red Bull boss Horner often disagree about signings, Marko said: "Not often, but sometimes we do. The last one... I would say de Vries.

"Basically it's AlphaTauri, but we're a big family and we get opinions. He [Horner] was not a fan of De Vries. I would say at the moment it looks like he was right."

Here's the source claiming Tost was voting for Schumacher: https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/37926391/red-bull-boss-admits-horner-right-doubt-de-vries

The full firehose of the lemmyverse will grow your DB by about 2GB per day, plus an additional 8GB per day in thumbnails. And the rate is growing frantically. It's not necessarily trivial, depending on how much you subscribe to.

The terminology is that you federate with an instance and subscribe to a community.

And yes, if you sub a community, your instance will mirror posts and comments to your local DB and re-serve them to the public unauthenticated internet. On a single-user instance, anyone can browse the communities on your server and infer what your account subscribes to, including whatever porn, piracy, and other legally questionable shenanigans based on what gets replicated to your server.

I think you more or less have it. Rather than saying no app can do everything, I'd probably frame it as different apps being optimized for different things. An app that tried to offer an optimized experience for everything is going to end up feeling like a bunch of apps bodged together anyway (basically like meta) because community stuff wants to looks different than microblogging stuff which wants to look different from photosharing stuff.

The admins explained their choice to defederate in https://lemmy.world/post/747912