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Gangs are not armed by a magic gun fairy. The same dogshit laws that sell semi-automatic weapons to school shooters also sell semi-automatic weapons to gang members.

Blantant lie.

He is almost certainly not carrying it for that reason.

His community can't and if he was capable of imagining other people's lives, he wouldn't be far-right in the first place.

Did you forget you're not in your sleazy little far-right bubble?

Since it was deemed profitable to do so. Every vote is an ad impression and trying to manipulate or correct the value just means even more ad impressions.

... So they got on a plane knowing they were definitely going to die? They didn't get on a plane with the very same remote chance of dying in a plane crash as every one else has, only to then die in a plane crash?

I guess they should have checked the Lemmy statistics before they boarded, where "it's unlikely to happen to me" can be extrapolated to "it will never happen to anyone".

Fuck, why does Boeing even bother pretending to do all that maintenance? Apparently planes don't burst into flames because they're protected by magical statistics. Just throw a screwdriver in the engine, it doesn't make any difference.

If it helps to tell yourself that, you go right ahead.

So you're when it comes to my shark analogy you demand nuance down to the specific type of shark but for planes you're happy with "It was safe last year so it must still be safe now"?

Is this some bizarre shill campaign or is everyone trying to be crowned "King of science and rationalism"?

The door was sucked off of one and no one even died.

And do you know what the FAA said about it? "This incident should have never happened and it cannot happen again". But don't worry about the whistleblowers saying management has been covering up defects and cutting corners, "the statistics" say it's safe.

I could load you on to a burning plane with a drunk and the answer to "Can you tell me the last time a fatal accident happened to a commercial airplane in the US?" wouldn't change until you hit the ground.

But don't worry, because "statistics".

I think it's clear that you're never going to get my point. Maybe you could apply for a management job at Boeing?

You're statistically unlikely to be killed by a shark. Do you want to share a swimming pool with one?

Statistics aren't a suit of armor and they can be deeply misleading without context. If every plane in the air crashed today, how would the statistics change? Would 0.00001 become 0.00002? Would you tell people there was nothing to fear because it's still statistically unlikely?

I would guess that every single passenger jet that has ever crashed had at least one person who reassured themselves "it won't happen to me".

Then it's just what we already have only people don't vote for neoliberals.

"I can imagine something bad" is a worthless counter argument. I can imagine a bad outcome for any situation that anybody has ever found themselves in.

But your imagination isn't reality. There are so many steps between hate crime legislation and your fantasy land. Even the reality of the holocaust you're alluding to had absolutely no resemblance to your racist-enabling gibberish here.

You really need to take a critical look at the people who taught you this shit.

Looking for "economic theories" is already buying into their bullshit. The economic theory championed by major political parties and media networks the world over is neoliberalism. You know, trickle down, self-regulation, free market will fix it, that kind of shit.

None of it works and none of it ever did. Maybe, for a brief moment around Thatcher and Reagan, they genuinely thought it might. These days though, they try neoliberalism over and over again because it doesn't work and they grow richer with every failure. Money didn't trickle down, they just got a tax break. They didn't self regulate, they increased their profits by exploiting foreign workers and literal slaves. The free market didn't fix it, because people were desperately trying to keep their head above water, forcing them to be complicit in the horrors or drown.

You don't need economic theories. You just need regulations to stop businesses doing unethical, exploitative things. Politicians could solve most of the issues facing us today with the stroke of a pen. It's not even complicated policy. "Foreign workers pay and working conditions must meet domestic standards. Failure to do so will result in criminal charges".

You'd see industry return to wealthy countries overnight. Consumers wouldn't be blamed for multi-billion dollar companies using child slaves. Sure, everything would also become more expensive, but that's your bosses problem now. They've been pocketing your wealth for decades, distracting you with cheap junk, subsidised by the misery of foreign workers.

That's why the world over, every election has become "red neoliberal" vs "blue neoliberal". They might pantomime fight over social issues but when it comes to economics, the only disagreement is about whose buddies from school get to be first snout in the trough. Their children are bred for it. The moment a progressive get anywhere near power, watch as these mortal enemies suddenly unite in solidarity to attack them.

Whatever economic theory you find, there will always be greedy sociopaths trying to murder and manipulate their way to the top.

Everybody who has ever died in a plane crash was also, statistically, going to be fine.

Less firearms doesn't magically make anyone safer.

Even disregarding all the studies and statistics proving you wrong, the abject failure of pro-gun policy for over 20 years has made it clear that more guns don't make anyone safer.

The property crime rate is identical to every other wealthy country, only with a layer of murder on top. The police execute more people in the street without cause or punishment. The upcoming election is between a neoliberal and a barely coherent reality TV star who openly simps for fascists.

So what exactly are we tolerating all this violence for? Your sad little hero fantasies?

Making sure people don't turn to crime to survive blah blah blah

Nothing more than your latest bullshit excuse. You told us it was Marilyn Manson and video games. Then you told us it was because schools had too many doors and not enough God. Now you're blaming social issues (all of which pro-gun politicians oppose fixing) because you know it's an excuse that will be good for 50 years.

So fuck off and build it. While you do, we can address the gun problem that by your own admission escalates these problems into murder and terrorism.

Making sure our children are properly educated and aren't crammed into classrooms where kids cannot get proper education does

Don't worry, there isn't a child in America who hasn't been "properly educated" about what happens when a parade of red flags becomes a "responsible gun owner". They've gone to school every day wondering if their school will be next and watched as the pro-gun community spat on them for speaking out. One day, they'll be the ones writing laws and they're going to remember exactly how much compassion you showed them.

But you keep thinking that taking away firearms will magically fix all of our underlying issues

You mean the issues that progressives have been fighting to address since long before gun owners decided to use them as their latest scapegoat? Don't worry, we can do more than one thing at a time but unfortunately for you, we're not obliged to follow your bullshit "fix every other problem first" demands.

You sound like someone who puts a new roof on a house while the rest of it underneath is being eaten by rot and termites.

I actually love this analogy because you're too fucking stupid to realise that the rot could absolutely be a problem with a failing roof that needs replacing. But there you are in your rotting house, gormlessly insisting your roof is infallible and perfect.

Lol I don't follow the gun lobby.

You absolutely do. That's why your opinions and talking points are perfectly aligned with what's most profitable to them. All you're doing is admitting that you fell for their propaganda without a single critical thought.

You're arguing with a left leaning person, who wants to make sure our society has a good foundation.

I don't care who you are. It's anonymous social media. You could claim to be anyone or anything. You're awkwardly repeating the same rhetoric as pro-gun reactionaries so I'm going to treat you like a pro-gun reactionary.

You on the other hand sound like some white privilege suburb kid who is terrified of anyone that's not like you.

Watching you try the "use their values against them" technique for a second time actually makes you sound more far-right. It's a strategy openly advocated by neo-nazi groups and you're really shoehorning trying to shoehorn it in.

Yeah they did, they have collected a shit ton of guns since the 1996 confiscation

Yeah good link fuckstick, it says absolutely nothing. Are you genuinely just relying on the fact the word "seized" appears on the page? Police sieze illegal firearms when they're discovered. They didn't go door to door tearing poor, innocent semiautomatic weapons from the bosom of their loving owners. Who fills your head with this dogshit?

do anything because there are more firearms in the hands of civilians there than there were in 96.

Oh look, more "gun control according to pro-gun groups". You know it is too, because you're getting slimy with your wording again. Are those "more firearms" illegal weapons? Are they in the hands of criminals?

Nope. Counter to all your greasy propaganda, Australia didn't "ban guns" -- those "more weapons" are legal, lower-risk weapons, in the hands of people with firearms licenses, who have been members in good standing at a range or club for more than 6 months, have been psychologically assessed, have demonstrated they can safely operate a firearm and must keep their weapons in a gun safe that no unlicensed person can access.

And what a shocking plot twist, no mass shootings ans assaults and property crimes never involve guns. They didn't even have to solve every single social problem that gun owners could think of first.

Remember 5 seconds ago when you said there wasn't a problem with legal gun owners? That's the trouble with just collecting excuses from lobbyists and gun owners without actually thinking for yourself -- you end up mashing all your apolgism together in contradictory ways. Looks like you don't have enough of your cult friends here to bail you out either.

Anyway do you know what doctors actually do with cancer patients? They treat them over a period of months or years, incrementally attacking the cancer bit by bit until no trace of it remains.

But when the tumors turn up in your body, be sure to tell your doctor that letting the cancer spread is better than any solution that isn't instantly and completely effective.