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Could you help me understand how sexual abuse of minors is somehow related to firearms?

Probably not, since you'll just deliberately miss the point to try and deflect.

The pro-gun community routinely claims that gun laws are pointless because they'll just be broken anyway, a philosophy which is deeply stupid and morally reprehensible when applied to absolutely anything else, but they seem to think they logic is sound when it comes to gun laws.

Does such a reality intersect at all with your hyperbole?

Yes. Vastly more so than pro-gun promises to keep people safe from criminals and tyranny.

Ah, I see - you don't care about the dead children, but rather that firearms are used to kill children. That's really fucked up.

Thoughts and prayers for whatever point you thought you had.

I'm not sure if you're aware or not but blue team has been decrying the evils and supposed impact of these things for multiple election cycles due to their inability to actually address that perceived problem.

And "team red" takes $16 million a year from the gun lobby and are adamant the solutions just coincidentally align with what's most profitable.

I'd be interested in seeing you compare such countries by violence overall and then again compare them by available social support and safety nets.

Of course you would be, because you're looking for excuses to do nothing, especially excuses that might take decades to prove wrong.

But whatever "social support and safety nets" you find are still going to be paired with vastly better gun laws that try and balance social risk rather than protect profits.

You want a half solution that doesn't impact you, not an actual solution.

Please please please print yourself an RPG.

Nah. You think it's the problem, you can prove it's the solution.

Good guys with guns are outliers.

Dangerous straws to grasp for gun advocates. I know what their forums look like.

But if we start punishing rich people for crimes, what's next? Punishing other rich people for their crimes?

Everyone can sexually abuse minors and minors continue to be sexually abused. Does the pro-gun community advocate legalising sexually abusing children?

After all, it only effects those who choose to obey it.

For what it's worth, I think if everyone on the radical right were launched into the sun, the world would be a better place.

Gotta make sure the gun owners know who your murder fantasies are about. Meanwhile, back in reality, everywhere far-right is an absolute shithole and everywhere progressive absolutely smashes them as far as healthcare and happiness goes.

I don't need to, because nobody is using them for mass shootings. But sure, I will absolutely advocate laws regarding the illegal manufacturing of firearms are enforced. I'll also laugh when people blow their hands off.

Fortunately since 3D printed guns don't line the pockets of Republicans, lobbyists, sleazy PR companies and the people who simp for them, there should be no issue at all actually addressing the problem.

If that problem ever actually exists of course. Isn't it just fascinating that despite the entire world having access to 3D printers, they still don't have gun violence that's even remotely comparable to America? All of these comments saying

It's almost like "but 3D printers!" is just as bullshit as everything else that comes out of pro-gun groups mouths. 25 years of insisting it was doors or video games or rap music.

Sounds like you're the only one to talk about what might overlap. Are the guns to keep your feelings safe?

How many people offered you rocket launchers? Hand grenades? Land mines? High explosives?

Cool well fix the class issue and then you can have your guns back.

If your goal is to feel good about Doing Something then you are right. If the goal is to meaningfully reduce violence without curtailing the rights of law abiding citizens, you are dead wrong. The only effective way to go about this is to logically look at what the effect of a law would be.

Okay, so if it's not a bullshit excuse to do nothing, what has the pro-gun community done to address the issue of gun violence over the last 25 years?

Oh look, they've done nothing. In fact, they've done worse than nothing because they've actually made it easier to enable criminals, abusive partners and domestic terrorists to arm themselves on a whim.

But despite this, they continue to insist they they and they alone have the answers and what a susprise, the answer is once again "don't change anything".

First of all, you are mistaken here. Guns used by criminal groups are most often straw purchases, which are very much illegal.

Okay, so you're openly admitting that the current laws are a failure, but you're also staunchly opposed to anyone fixing them. If your goal was to arm criminals and people who hit their wives, how would your actions differ from what you're already doing?

You're not going to allow straw purchases to be stopped, despite them being borderline non-existent in comparable countries. You're not going to allow the gun show loop holes to be closed, despite them being openly acknowledged ways of buying guns without a background check. You're definitely not going to support mandatory safe storage to punish dildos who leave handguns in gloveboxes, because those dildos are your friends.

More importantly, looking at the problematic people and just banning whatever they have in their hands has a long history of failing to make any meaningful impact on crime.

Yet more bullshit. "Oh look at this stupid ban or this thing law that didn't work". If those laws done work, go out and buy an RPG. Get a box of grenades without the appropriate license. Hell, pick yourself up a truck full of ANFO, I'll cover the cost.

But you can't, because it turns out banning precision engineered weaponry is actually easy as fuck.

You have to predict the holistic effects of the law, long term, to see if it will have a positive impact.

Is that your excuse for 25 years of the "good guys with guns" accomplishing absolutely nothing except lining the pockets of Republicans and lobby groups? You're still looking at the holistic, long term effects of the laws that just happen to be the most personally convient to you.

Restricting legal guns had little long term benefit in Brazil at stopping crime with firearms.

And should we use the same dogshit, pro-gun logic for all laws? It's illegal to fuck kids, but people fuck kids anyway, so by pro-gun logic it should be legal to fuck kids after a 2 day waiting period.

It's illegal to drive while intoxicated, but that's probably super inconvenient for some people so by pro-gun logic it should be allowed as long as their on their way to or from a gun show.

It's illegal to kill people, but.. Oh nevermind, judging by the murder fantasies on most pro-gun platforms, they'd be throbbing at the idea of those laws getting changed.

It has only gotten easier to make them at home as time goes on. No manufacturing facilities needed

Oh well you'll be all set without your guns then. If any authoritarian dictatorships come along, all the pro-gun people who promised to protect us from it (but wouldn't even wear masks in a pandemic) can just grab a $200 PLA printer from AliExpress and print themselves off a machine gun.

Right after they finish enthusiastically voting for them and losing 130lbs of course.

Gotcha. You're fine with paying someone to pretend they'd willingly fuck you, you're just not comfortable with the money for it going anywhere except into an old white billionaires pocket.

I'm sure there's nothing to unpack there.

Do you remember when the Las Vegas shooter killed 60 people and and injured over 400 more (not counting the hundreds more injured while fleeing)?

You should, since it was the most deadly mass shooting in the history of America.

Anyway, he fired over 1000 rounds in the process but even with the record death toll, it still wasn't enough to make the pro-gun community agree to ban bump stocks, despite them insisting they were just a range toy anyway.

So who needs your hypothetical shooter that's impossible to measure when we have so many actual dead people just piling up because you repeatedly defend them.

What particular laws have been "completely ineffective"? How are you measuring that efficiency, if not by comparing to countries without them?

We get it, gun owners get salty because they're not allowed all the toys they want. Their natural state is "tantrum" from America to Canada to Australia to the UK.

But that's too bad for them. While they may decided that increased risk of people being murdered is fine because they don't think it will be their family, those countries have decided that their hurt feelings aren't as important as other people's lives.

And oh look, they're way better places to send you kids to school or walk around at night. Who'd have fucking known?

Do you know why it's hard to respect the pro-gun crowd?

Because when a legal gun owner in Ulvade used a legally purchased gun to mutilate a room full of children beyond recognition and the entire world asked "What can we change to stop this from happening?", do you know what their pro-gun community replied?

"I don't know, maybe something to do with doors or mental health. All I know is that the gun laws in Texas are brilliant, if not too strict. There is nothing I would have changed and selling guns to someone with a history of rape threats and animal abuse is exactly what the founding fathers wanted".

But yeah sorry we don't know the intricacies of your little trinkets.

No it's not, it's a bullshit excuse to do nothing.

Overwhelmingly, criminals, abusers and domestic terrorists are using legally purchased firearms to kill innocent people. Of the minority remaining that are using illegal firearms, they were stolen from somewhere and those people should be held accountable.

Those are the people "gun grabbers" are trying to disarm and those are the people the pro-gun community is protecting, while somehow thinking they're the good guys.

"Oh but what about 3D printed guns and bombs and cars? They'll just use them instead" doesn't matter. They're not using 3D printed guns any more than they're using giant clown hammers.

And do you know what we'll do if they start? We'll address it.

Much like we have addressed it, since it doesn't take 25 years to do when there isn't a well funded death cult blocking us every step of the way.