PoliticalAgitator @ PoliticalAgitator @lemm.ee

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Hey if you want us to ban things that actually help, I'm all for it. Should we start with semi-automatic weapons or handguns?

Yes I'm literally a figurative concept.

I know you're trying to say "the people killed by domestic terrorists in America are statistically insignificant" but awkwardly shoehorning it in like that just makes it sound like you don't understand percentages.

Well, inherently not on the brigading but if you suspect there is voting manipulation going on, by all means dig into it.

My votes are public, the same as any other users. Maybe you could create a site that listed the voting history for each comment? I'm sure the results would be fascinating in every gun related thread.

You rushed right in with their talking points, so I assumed your goal was to spread them. I don't want to break your little heart but I respond to the things people say on social media without forming an intimate relationship with them first.

Your gut feelings are not facts. CNC machining -- especially of hard metals and complex shapes -- is significantly more complicated and expensive than desktop 3D printers.

You can't just buy a $200 CNC frame, stick a palm router in it and come back an hour later to an AR-15.

Well even the most profoundly stupid person can see the most important thing American gun laws do; fail on a daily basis.

Making it absolute dogshit for criminals and domestic terrorists.

Isn't it just fascinating how all the solutions proposed by gun owners and Republican politicians just happen to coincide with what's most profitable for the gun lobby?

But I'm sure people who manufacture guns are much more moral than the tobacco industry, oil industry, sugar industry, asbestos industry and all those other groups that got caught putting profits before people's lives.

Okay, so not how criminals and terrorists get their guns, because they just walk into a shop and buy them.

"The important thing is that no gun owners were mildly inconvenienced"

Thousands of dead school children, executed partners and victims of crime

Okay, so you should be able to provide plenty of examples of this happening then right?

That's all fair, but it remains the most widely accepted term for the issue, complete with its own Wikipedia page.

leaves the door open for gun nuts to say "lol, there is no gun show loophole, see you don't even know what you're talking about"

It doesn't matter what it's called, they'll continue to oppose addressing it because their strategy is to only take, never give.

It's crazy how the first thing you did was complain about people with premade talking points rushing to brigade a post, yet you're in here posting walls of text under everyone who is pointing out the logical inconsistencies of banning unregulated 3d printers but not other hardware related purchases.

I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to make here since the things before and after your "yet" have nothing to do with each other.

Are you trying to claim I'm brigading with a single account or somehow manipulating votes?

Even stranger is, I can't figure out what you're upset about.

Well that's on you.

making wild, baseless as hominem attacks

Oh damn I was hoping you didn't know that you can instantly win any debate by just (almost) saying the names of logical fallacies.

"Ad Hominem" means that someone isn't inherently wrong just because they're dogshit. They can both still be wrong and dogshit.

Want to point out exactly where I claimed someone must be wrong because they were a bad person?

It would, but it would also require more expense and skill and the "gun control is pointless because people will just make their own guns" lie works best when you can imply there is minimal cost, experience, effort and risk.

So you want a deliberate "3D printer show" loophole?

Other countries have absolutely no problem whatsoever enforcing background checks for private firearm transfers. Claiming it can't be done is a self-serving lie.

They've just got to figure out a way to twist one of the amendments into a shield.

No you don't understand. The pro-gun community would support a solution, it just needs to be instantly and 100% effective without inconveniencing a single gun owner or costing anything.

It's a completely reasonable position and not at all just an excuse to do nothing.

I'm against it because I know the pro-gun claim of "fixing deeply flawed gun laws is pointless because people will just 3D print guns" is a lie.

Should it one day come true, I'd reconsider my position.

But it hasn't come true anywhere else in the world, nor have any other pro-gun promises come true in the last 20 years.

America isn't the only country in the world with hardware stores yet is still the only country in the world with weekly mass shootings -- 80% of which use legally purchased firearms and 0% of which use home made guns.