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Sure, they sweeten the deal. There is no horror nor humiliation they won't endure as long as they get to keep their guns.

But the neoliberal Republicans would sell them out in a heartbeat if that was more profitable.

It was illegal for this guy to kill a bunch of people but he still did it.

With his legally purchased, semi-automatic rifle.

Isn't it fascinating that we don't seem to have any trouble using laws to keep landmines, grenades and high explosives out of the hands of domestic terrorists, but the moment it happens to threaten the hobby of middle aged white men and the profits of the gun lobby, laws are somehow powerless?

Not a single source or actual number posted after all that bluster

Your comments aren't exactly riddled with carefully sourced statistics -- you even tried to pre-empt people finding you factually wrong with claims of figures being manipulated.

But fortunately you don't seem to hold yourself to the same standard you hold others.

And that racism line? Holy shit, what a coward you are cherry picking and trying to paint me as a dog whistle user.

If you don't want your hot take sounding racist, don't repeat the talking points of racists verbatim. It's literally lifted from Bill O'Reilly.

I wish you could see how off the mark you are but that'll never happen.

No thanks, I have no interest in whatever context the rest of your life may offer. You wrote a comment that reads exactly like a sock puppet, fully aware that the people on this site know nothing about you beyond your username.

but why would I bother to engage further?

Probably so you could regurgitate more apologism about which people killed with guns are allowed in the "people killed with guns" statistics.

In that case, every gun should be the subject of an urgent product recall to address a serious malfunction that results in them killing multiple people every day.

You lie about as well as a toddler does. Just stick to the talking points the gun lobby gives you.

It's amazing that actual adults fall for the "leftists need guns to keep minorities safe from the gubbermint".

Out of every comparable, wealthy country in the world, America is the only one with such permissive gun laws yet is still the closest to the authoritarian dictatorship you're pretending to keep us safe from.

Minorities in America are routinely hunted by far-right extremists with legally purchased semi-automatic weapons or executed in the street by police.

But sure, share with the class exactly when we're supposed to use our cool guns to fire on police, how exactly you expect that to play and when we can expect it to result in systemic reforms?

You fell for a marketing campaign, created by me in suits to sell more guns to people outside the usual "white, male, right wing and casually racist" market.

You may as well be posting tobacco company slogans.

yeah no one has ever driven an unregistered car or without a license

"If someone breaks a law we might as well not have it" is a shit take that inherently advocates for the legalisation of rape, murder, theft, human trafficking, torture, drugs, drunk driving and literally every law we have.

if we had the same or more it would still be less than the barrier of legal gun ownership in many states. anyone can get a license without actually knowing how to drive in a meaningful capacity. driving tests are insanely simple and you only have to take them once.

This genuinely isn't worth responding to. Nobody would say it in good faith and nobody would read it and be convinced.

atrocities committed by mass shooters

By former "responsible gun owners".

an emotional reaction in the heat of the moment.

Yes, people who aren't psychopaths have an emotional reaction to 20 more innocent people gunned down, the latest in a string of thousands, that we're told we need to tolerate forever because men with limp dicks insist they'll save the country from crime and tyranny, despite arming the criminals, voting for the tyrants, having neither military training nor the discipline to undertake it and being morbidly obese.

The Maine shooter received urgent mental healthcare. Then he killed 20 people with a legally purchased firearm.

If you genuinely believe that "universal healthcare with no waiting times, for free, to every man, woman and child in America, including people who don't want help, that instantly cures them of complex mental health problems far beyond our current medical science and so completely they will never relapse for even a minute, all so we can indiscriminately sell them guns" is a reasonable position, by all means start building that system.

You can have your guns back when you're done.

That's what the lobby pays them for.

The year of Sandy Hook, the gun lobby increased their "donations" to Republicans from $8 million to $16 million per year, where it remains to this day.

Also, be wary of saying "assault weapons" as it's vague and used by the pro-gun crowd to undermine discussion -- semi-automatic guns are the weapon of choice for criminals, terrorists and domestic abusers and are not necessary for hunting nor hobby shooting.

It's why they're strictly controlled in most countries.

That way when you see gun violence overall is actually down and how single person handgun suicides and gang violence data is used to juice the numbers (both directions), you might understand there's far better arguments for gun control.

Nope, don't push this trash. Every single gun death was a preventable death and not a single one should be swept under the rug.

Means reduction and survivability play a massive role in the suicide prevention.

Widespread legal firearms allow distressed people to end their lives in a split second impulse, robbing them of an opportunity to be helped.

Only 1 in 10 people who attempt suicide will go on to die by suicide, but the survival rate for attempts with guns is practically zero.

Teenagers are blowing their brains out with their guns of their "responsible gun owner" fathers who no doubt bragged about how he was going to "keep his family safe", then failed to secure it from a deeply distressed child.

You can also fuck off with the "gang violence" stuff, which is frequently code for "don't worry, they're only black people".

There is no magic gun fairy arming them. They either bought the gun at a store because the system is deeply flawed or they stole it from a "responsible gun owner" that failed to secure it.

But even writing it all off as "just criminals doing crime", it's still bullshit. Innocent people are killed, maimed and traumatised by both armed criminals and the trigger happy police who use them as an excuse.

And just how much gun violence are they responsible for? Roughly the same as domestic abusers who kill their partners. Want to hand wave them away too?

Those figures are include in the gun violence stats because they're a symptom of the gun problem.

If you want to be an "ally", the first step is to stop pushing the talking points of racists and lobby groups.

So to be clear, you're saying that Microsoft and Target hire people who are objectively unqualified for their roles, purely because they're minorities?

Because that's definitely bullshit and would be career suicide for anyone in charge of hiring.

Removing diversity quotas and addressing the wage gap (which you seem to oppose, but it's probably because you're just listing trigger words) doesn't make for a meritocracy and it's been shown over and over again.

In controlled conditions, when someone is completely unable to know the gender, race or sexuality of the person they're judging, minorities have the same merit and are judged much the same as anyone else.

When you remove those conditions, suddenly, in a magical coincidence, straight white men just happen to think that other straight white men are the most qualified for the job.

On top of that, people who heard the words "diversity quotas" and assumed they knew everything about them tend to assume they're mandatory discrimination, then get upset.

They're not. Managers aren't saying "well unfortunately, all these hirely qualified men aren't eligible because the quota said, so we have to hire this black gay woman who turned up to the interview visibly drunk".

Any job tends to have a pool of candidates, any of whom are qualified. If you've genuinely been hiring on merit and have ended up with an all male team, that shouldn't be difficult to demonstrate when scrutinised.

With that talking point expressed with that vocabulary, you should probably be more careful about whose opinions you adopt.

When they say "we need to start loading people onto trains", that's not just their "different world view" about the role of public transportation.

Targeting young, disillusioned men isn't a new invention -- Islamic extremists have been doing it in the Middle East for decades.

But America has brought modern convenience to the process. Fresh meat is easy to find and they only need a few hundred bucks to buy a gun for maximum damage and minimum risk.

Sure, people would die, but think of the profits

Why aren't all the pro-gun people in Maine out hunting him with their cool guns? They promised to keep everyone safe from tyranny and crime, even pledging to give up their lives for it.

But not only are they not doing that, they're defending themselves with doors, the things they claimed couldn't keep you safe and even blamed for school shootings.

The important part was that you got the far-right talking point out there.

The far-right do openly endorse terrorism. The funnel starts with people like Elon, Tucker, Peterson and Rogan and ends in Discord channels where mass shooters that hunt minorities are openly celebrated.

When they're not doing that, they're brainstorming ways to breed more far-right terrorists, which almost always involves memes and identifying vulnerable communities.

I think we surpassed the "finding community" part long ago.

These days white extremists are manufactured by other white extremists on social media -- the closest thing we've ever built to mind control.

The underlying grooming strategies aren't much different to the ones Islamic extremists have been using on budding young suicide bombers for decades, they just throw in a few more memes.

Oh and most importantly, profits. There's a lot of ad impressions and user engagement on the path from human being to far-right terrorist, eventually culminating in gun-based mass murder that is like Christmas for the gun lobby and for-profit media.

They know they have to stay mask on, no matter what.

They tried the whole "haha, we were nazis all along!" thing with the tiki torches and Unite the Right rally. They lost their jobs, families and the platform they'd built out of plausible deniability.

You could catch them dressed as Hitler, with a hand written copy of Elders of Zion, in the middle of lynching a jew, and they'd still claim "the left just calls everyone who disagrees with them a Nazi".