my degree was in journalism. In a past life i was a reporter. Shit job. I have had lots of shit jobs since. I completely understand what you are saying.
But, if they cant explicitly say it, then you probably shouldnt extrapolate. When the evidence is clear, then by all means evicerate whoever you want.
Just because the propoganda is something you agree with, doesnt mean it isnt propoganda.
You have been given a roadmap, but you do not have evidence.
I also agree with your point. I know they cant say it out loud. But i draw the line at wishing ill on the parents of dead kids.
And once again, my point is, you dont know if the kid was part of the minnonite community that refuses vaccines, or if it was the neighbor kid. You do not know if there were other factors that prevented the kid getting that vaccine. Poverty, lack of healthcare, or an immunocompromised child.
Dairy farmer here, who fought this crap off when we still didnt know what it was.
Bird flu contaminated raw milk in cats, yeah it will kill the shit out of them. Its what helped us figure out what it was in the first place. Nothing confirmed so far as humans being infected from consumption that i am aware of currently, but i personally wouldnt try it.
The dairy workers that got bird flu. It was pinkeye that popped positive for h5. Probably splashback from either milk or fecal. It wasnt really a big deal other than conjunctivitis sucks.
But if you drink raw milk, you are playing russian roulette as patient zero at this point. Dont do it.
I would argue that the powerlessness is not by design. Its a consequence. It is an immuno response.
It is my sincere belief that the social contract still exists and that, in the grand scheme, all this happening now is the symptoms of a fever.
The social contract is being tested. The system is working properly, if slower than we want. Our immune system is working correctly and the treatment is occurring in real time.
If it is a cancer, we will be dead soon. And if it is a bad case of the flu. Well in that case, our immune system will balance it out. I hope. We arent taking any vaccinations, and the ones we took in the 1940s have worn off.
This can be a booster shot, or a skipped immunization. But we actually have experienced this sickness before.
Dont get me wrong. We are sick right now. But our job is to be the antibodies and white blood cells that regulate the system. Ive still got hope in it.
You know. Its interesting. Like... really interesting. And sobering.
Reading history books about the rise of the nazis and the reich, and you ask yourself, "how could they have not known what was going on?" and "how could they let these things happen?"
What were they doing just standing around? Why did they let this happen?
I understand that history is written by the victors. I understand that there is so much we will never know. There is nuance and circumstance and so many things that snowball into the most terrible things.
But now... im starting to understand the feeling of powerlessness now. The inability to change the machines that are in motion. The overwhelming dread.
I could make generalizations of the people of germany in the 1930s. But it would be disingenuous. And unnecessary. It feels like they are my neighbors now in 2025. They are angry, or apathetic, or ignorant. And the machine and history does not care about them in the slightest. History will be written by the winner and we are all going to be a broad generalization of what happens next. Your experiences will be written off as a success for the new order, or as a failure. If it is written at all.
History doesnt teach you to dwell on the minutiae and routines of the common man.
It doesnt teach you that, despite everything you may do or what you believe, or how much you loathe the actions of your leaders, that you have so little sway. That you are powerless and ineffective.
I feel that and understand that now.
History books in school taught us the wrong lesson i think. But i dont think that we can learn this experience from a book or documentary. If it could, we would not be repeating it now.
Maybe tires are shoes, and inside the tires, instead of air, there are fleshy discs of sinew and fat, kinda the cars equivalent of an elephants foot padding its all just a meaty sausage ouroboros inside each rubber doughnut shoe.
My point is, if you are suffering, and watching your neighbors and friends suffer, do not wish that suffering on the people who arent your neighbors and friends just because of the consequence of proximity.
Its very human to make the easy assessment of "the other" and what they think, feel, and deserve. They are faceless and far away. Who cares? But... The OP was literally wishing ill on immigrant families to hurt their own opponent. Using immigrants as pawns to justify their opinion and position. Using people to hurt other people. Sound familiar yet?
Maybe he should give up and quit this farce completely. Instead of what you suggested.
Because what you suggested just hurts more innocent people so that you can feel smug and point and say "i told you so".
We get it. some dumbasses voted against their communities and their own self interests. Im fighting this battle every day with so many people. But why on earth would you advocate that more people get caught up and hurt by these policies? Because they "deserve it"?
We are supposed to be better than that. We are supposed to make the world better. Not be vindictive assholes about it.
-sincerely, a farmer from a rural red run welfare county.
China has been buying and stealing south africa piece by piece for decades. land, mines, politicians. Everything. This will have very negative consequences for all of sa.
They are not defending their boundaries. This is just going to feed the other beast. This just cuts off americas influence on SA, and lets china go full hog into it. This was just they were waiting for.
I used to drink raw milk on occasion too. Proximity and all that. But once we realized what we had in march of last year, that relaxed attitude went out the window.
I have not looked in depth about aging beef as a preventative measure, but given the mechanisms in action when you age beef, i would find it hard for the virus to remain intact. Looks like ive got more to research tonight.
But, cooking your food properly will destroy the virus. Same as pasturization. Turns out viruses hate high temperatures.
Obviously we dont want anyone to get sick. But the normal cases that we have seen so far, the symptoms are mild.
These cases have been, for the most part, from individuals that had handled infected animals or had close proximity to them. Dairy workers, poultry farmers, back yard chicken enthusiasts, etc.
The more severe cases tend to be individuals with compromised immune systems or pre existing conditions.
What we want to avoid, and what has not happened so far, is the virus spreading from human to human. All cases so far are believed to be from infected animals infecting a human.
This is good.
Just like with covid, or any novel disease for that matter, the worst thing you can do is have a spillover event where a new virus mutates just enough to infect a new species and the infection is contagious between individuals in that population . The new bird flu has not reached that stage. It may eventually, or it may never. But for the vast majority of the population, dont touch dead birds, dont drink raw milk, dont lick bird poop off of park benches. And you will be fine.
The current vector that is infecting dairies is from infected wild bird populations. We cant stop that. Blackbirds pigeons starlings finches. Theres too much bird food around everywhere. Cow to cow transmittion from one location to another is not really a factor. Its wild birds.
My dairy has implemented extra tracking in the form of, well, its basically a fitbit for cows.
And with the data we collect, we can detect sick cows when they are still subclinical. It gives us a huge heads up and improves the health of the herd because we can start supportive treatment sooner. But it is not preventative.
What we need is vaccinations. The poultry industry had vaccinations for decades for bird flu. They didnt use it.
We could have a cow vaccine spun up in 6 weeks, but for some reason we couldnt get usda approval in the last year before trump.
The likelihood of us getting that cow vaccine approved now... its not looking too good in my opinion.
I thought making blanket judgements about entire communities or groups of people is something we were supposed to think a little harder about.
And saying they deserve it is also something we are supposed to avoid.
Maybe by imposing my moral standard on others im not making the best argument, but i feel obligated to point it out.