Plebcouncilman @ Plebcouncilman @sh.itjust.works

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Solid evidence bro.

According to the right there were. They had some shaky evidence. Is your evidence more credible and solid than theirs or is it equally as shaky? Post it bro, let’s compare evidence. See if you come out looking better than the MAGA crowd

So Trump won in 2020?

That doesn’t really change my position since I’ve seen many unironically and seriously advocate for being the aggressors. And like I said elsewhere, current progressive agenda doesn’t make a lot of sense because its whole identity is being the opposite of MAGA with a whiff of the ideals that once were core to it.

WTF I looked for something like this for a while and this never popped up. Awesome.

It doesn’t matter what MAGA does or what MAGA is, progressives need to define themselves independently of that. But a popular workers movement it is not. That crown for right or wrong belongs to MAGA.

That’s not the managerial class.

The managerial class are the office employees, very generally “knowledge workers”.

This is proof that the current progressive agenda causes the same kind of brain rot MAGA does.

The first thing is that progressives need to stop being intellectually dishonest. The movement needs to admit that the world view is a technocratic one in which the best course of action given the evidence available is the one that will guide the decisions of the movement, not popular sentiment.

As of right now the progressive agenda looks like a mass of contradictions whose only identity is opposition to MAGA and the right with such intensity that the right has in fact co-opted many of the stances that traditionally belonged on the left, losing the support of the working class.

Seen through a Marxist lens, it is not surprising, the progressive movement in the US is not a worker’s movement but rather a managerial class movement.

To be fair I didn’t know that. I thought within a given thread everyone could see everything.

This “study” is biased by design. But also even if it weren’t , one study does not prove anything. You’d need a lot more evidence than that.

Oh for fucks sake, you keep using the same trite examples of shithole websites instead of looking at the place you’re at. I already told you, lemmy has a pretty good balance and this is where it should be as far as I’m concerned.

I don’t know what people want to be told, but I can tell you the double standards very much apply to both sides of the aisle. Like this very conversation is proof of that because the modern day American “leftist”simply defines itself in opposition to MAGA.

But even then I don’t even know why you bring that up because I’m not making an argument in favor of a side. You seem to imply that I do simply because the view I’m advocating for is often shared by the right, and because so much of the left is defined by being in opposition to MAGA then I must be defending MAGA or Trump; I guess the logic is that surely someone who disagrees with them will take every opposing viewpoint at any moment.

The fact is that heavy centralized moderation simply lends itself so that corporations can enforce whatever are the views of the current government. Which is fine they are in their right to do so, it is a private network after all. But I’m not gonna defend it no matter if it’s left leaning or right leaning because it just doesn’t seat right with me being dictated by a corporation what is correct enough for me to hear and see, and I will always move to the platform that has the least amount of paternalistic attitudes towards its users. Thats it, that’s the bottom line.

If you prefer heavy moderation and an enforced point of view of the world then that’s fine, there are plenty of social media networks with that approach. Just look at hexbear or r/conservative. No one is taking away your right to be dictated to.

Someone else did it, see above.

They certainly call for genocide pretty often.

I understand that, but it seems habitual liars are not lying only when it fits the narrative.

There’s plenty of evidence that points to Iran building a nuke. They are not the good guys, so excuse me for being unconcerned about their literal dictatorship getting blown to hell.

So what? Just because she pushed back she’s now trustworthy? For fucks sake, screw your head on straight.

Also why are you even intent on defending Iran, an openly genocidal far right government made up of religious extremists? There’s no good guys in this fight.

No they weren’t but they sure as fuck weren’t banning people for slurs either except the few really socially unacceptable ones. It was a good balance.

Also who’s the YouTube historian you cite? Because I was there too and I know exactly how it was. Lemmy has the right amount of moderation imo most of it enforced by users themselves as it should be.

Also I’d like to add, since you keep bringing it up, that 4chan often had more stringent moderation than other websites because on-topic discussions were strictly enforced. Outside of the adult boards (I forget their name, blue boards was it?) stuff like gore, porn etc was not allowed at all.

Fuck your paternalistic bullshit is all I have to say. Let people say whatever they want, let society decide what is acceptable or not. Not fucking corporations.