Paper_Phrog @ Paper_Phrog @lemmy.world

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Mate, are YOU happy with your life? If yes, you succeeded. If not, what would you like to change and how could you start that journey?

And I hope you're dating just her and not her parents. Luckily two adults can make their own decisions!

Fair, I am sure there are humans you can consensually eat though. ;)

No, I am against all killing and intentionally inflicting of pain. I don't mind you trying to poke holes in (my) logics at all by the way. Nothing in life is foolproof, otherwise philosophy wouldn't exist.

You might not literally have said so, but you replied with a very defensive stance about your situation, unsolicited. This implicitly made it about yourself.

You sound quite upset about this, but there's no need to. I am just an internet stranger.

Anyway, have a pleasant day!

This is a common philosophical counter question I hear. While completely valid in its core, it distracts from the real problem. Have you considered the fact that we need food to survive? I'd rather choose the food (based on current research that plants don't feel pain as animala do) that seems to cause the least harm.

Meat or animal products of any kind don't fulfill that criterium.

Then we have the fact that it contributes negatively to our planet and the production takes a huge toll on both plants AND humans alike. It simply isn't efficient in any way.

So this really isn't an argument worth discussing.

If you consider all this, there's really only one logical choice based on the morals we decide on as a society. Which is currently seriously hypocritical.

Agreed! Caring for (more than) humans tends to extend a great length.

It's not about being better than someone. Avoiding both animal and human harm can (and often do!) go hand in hand.

Many vegans I know try to reduce their harmful effects on the planet altogether.

Not many omnivores I know even try to help at all. Some do, but the ratio is completely different for this segment in my experience.

I am not fully going to reply to your statement, because the user below did so very clearly already.

Just remember, none of these conversations are centered around YOU or your situation. It's about the planet as a whole.

Without trying to insult you, it sounds like cognitive dissonance is at play here.

The food chain hasn't really been a thing for us in a long time now and you know it. We've surpassed the traditional food chain.

P.S. I kill my plans more humanely than any animal will ever be slaughtered.

Your username suits you at least.

Quite a typical response because no one is forcing you to do or change anything. It's still very much a choice. Even if it actively negatively contributes to both animal welfare and the earth existence.

You can debate how far one should go in veganism, but I think it's hard to defend the stance that there should be NO change of course in the current (intensive) animal factory farming scene. There really are no winners and humans don't realize how the system also makes life worse for them in the long run.

You can deny it, and try to use strawmen reasoning to the debate, but realize it makes you seem uneducated on the matter.

That being said, you do you, I won't change your stance and you won't changeine. I simply gave my opinion in this thread.

Hi there, good question. For me there's no morals tied to the level of consciousness. That allows for cherry picking.

I apply the very simple principe "don't do to other living beings what you would not want to be done to you".

It's an interesting story you shared. Seems like you've got it decently with your family. Happy to hear that!

I agree that learning can and should be fun and stimulated.

In the Netherlands we have the opposite problem actually, too many people have a higher education. Not enough practically schooled workers. We drastically need people to change to a "lower" education I'd we want to have plumbers, electricians, builders etc.

Veganism. It's interesting to see how even seemingly very moral people throw logic out the door when the topic turns to not killing animals.

I get it, you're not stupid. You've got the capabilities to think these things through. It's very nice to have these skills.

Although I wasn't familiar with all the circumstances in BE, they seem better on average than in NL. That sounds great, because our countries' wealth is brittle and unequally divided.

While I do agree it's sometimes a motivational issue (minority), I think that anyone working FTE should be able to live without uncertainty, living a modest life. Even if they have no desire to grow a career.

In here that is not the case. No proper social housing system (it's a shell of the past), waiting times around 15 years for Randstad.

Private sector rent of 1200-1500 is common. Many people cannot escape the wage slavery trap.

Fun fact, even earning twice median here is no guarantee for stability.

My point is, your view is definitely not universally applicable.

Even in BE there will be circumstances where people cannot predict the outcomes. Poverty, drug addiction or mental disorders can happen anywhere on earth - and people do not choose for this to happen to them.

You're a real shortsighted person. Greetings from your northern cousins suffering from similar problems. Averages lie, statistics mean nothing to an average citizen.

If half a country does well, and the other half is living in worse conditions every day, is that wealth?

I'm in a good spot, but I am lucky to be there. Many others are not so lucky. Take off your blinders.

Same, only based on VTC do we get the returns. It's not the best platform, but what are you going to do expansion wise else?

Hey man, good for you that you managed to realize and change your ways though!

Haha, yes but you will never finish the job with a Philips vacuum. ;)

Hi, I am currently traveling so no link right now, but hopefully a pointer in the right direction.

Philips sucks (I have one too). My parents had one of the more powerful Bosch (corded) vacuums. Think marketed for pets. They worked very well with pets, long haired dogs. Lasted over 10 years I reckon.

The issue is usually that the motor is not powerful enough. Due to EU regulations the maximum watt is limited. Make sure to check the kilopascal suction power. If it's not mentioned, it's probably poor!

I have only 2 cats these days and we get by 95% with a good Robo rock vacuum though. Sometimes a bit with the corded for some impossible to reach corners.