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Do you not understand that this topic includes democratic politicians straight up being collaborators, and how that might be relevant to the argument you're trying to make?

The immediate alternative was still worse.

This is right after the election.The immediate alternative is that democrats don't fucking cave on whether they should take part in genocide, when taking part in that genocide is actually incredibly unpopular with voters.

When do you plan on actually contributing to an alternative?

Seriously, what concrete things need to happen before you're like "a better world is worth taking risks for"?

You said:

In the meantime: this is the hole we are in. Act accordingly.

AKA "I'm acting like this reality is inescapable"

And also:

If you could actually fucking do that, I would welcome it with open arms.

AKA "I'd love it if someone were to do the work for me"

As we all know, systemic forces can not be worse than being robbed at gunpoint.

You do understand that fucking holocaust survivors have called this anti-trans push genocidal, right? Democrats who are also pushing it are also pushing extermination.

whenever someone tells you to stop letting outright fascists take power

Read Fascism and Social Revolution by R. Palme Dutt

Read Economy and Class Structure of German Fascism by A Sohn-Rethel

Then tell me that it is possible to keep fascism out of power through voting.

So what are you doing right now to fight fascism? If the answer doesn't include being active in a socialist organization, the only people that historically have been effective at opposing fascism, then the answer is effectively "diddly-squat", and you should get your ass in gear.

Someone saying "your access to lifesaving medication or your life" is functionally the same thing as them saying "your life (slow) or your life (fast)"

So your solution to getting out of the hole is to pretend like the hole is inescapable until someone else does the work? Isn't that kind of cowardly?

Do you conceive of your entire political reality as waiting anxiously who to vote for in November? Do you not see any political action you can take outside of elections that are ultimately owned by the capitalist class?

"But I'm being oppressed under democrats"

"We will let the other guy torture you if you do not comply(well actually it entirely depends on what white cishet people vote for), and our core base will say you deserved it for not voting hard enough."

The adults in the room like you rely on complicated concepts, like philosophical problems that they interpret shallowly and put in meme format

Meanwhile us goofballs actually see a horizon beyond alternating which boot will stomp on us for the rest of eternity.

It is because they care about the population more than they care about profits, both for moral reasons and because the whole mandate of socialism is prioritizing democracy (and therefore the needs of your constituency) over capitalism

Let us take medicine as an example:

Higher doctor to patient ratio, better life expectancy for countries income level. Doctors in Cuba go door to door for routine checkups.

Cuba life expectancy is comparable to US life expectancy and has a hard time acquiring sterile needles due to the blockade if that gives you an idea

You should read Davod Katz on holocaust trivialization through making the Soviets into a boogeyman- basically used to justify exterminating people because they were collaborating with the evil soviets, especially in the Baltics where holocaust collaboration was very thorough.

NYT is a very conservative newspaper, they are only "woke" in the very shallowest sense when convenient to them.

Were you around when the Fort Detrick conspiracy was going around? Obviously not true but has more evidence than the Wuhan shit so was fun to use to push back against that.

Lol someone got to it before I could.

Crazy how history doesn't agree with your gotcha.

Telling me that I’m not a Socialist because I’m not a registered member of a Socialist organization doesn’t encourage me to join any organization. It encourages me to dump you and find an actual mutual ally.

"Saying I'm only sympathetic to abolition if I'm not doing abolitionist work doesn't make me want to do abolitionist work"

Okay what will then, do you want a headpat or a handjob or what?

The dumped metaphor is great because in this metaphor you weren't dating to begin with. You were just admiring.

But seriously if someone questioning your commitment when you aren't committed makes you react with fleeing somewhere else that is on you.

Stop saying stupid exclusionary things about your left-wing allies if you want to actually have a movement capable of change.

If you're not in the movement you are not a socialist. The movement is a real, organized thing, not just vibes.

He sometimes tells his audience to log off and join an org, we get a handful of new recruits occasionally due to the guy.

So he actually is successfully moving people from being socialist sympathizers to actual socialists (you need to be part of an org to be a socialist)

That's all I really know about him, besides some people being thirsty about him.

Being involved in a local socialist org, having community, logging out