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Oh look, holocaust trivialization from an "anti-authoritarian"

Hey, just because they're being homophobic doesn't mean you should stoop to their level

That is what you are referring to though when you talk about Marx not being a Marxist.

The post on hexbear tries to act as if they were seriously considering the anarchist point of view, they are constantly being disingenuous.

I think you're confusing dismissing your viewpoint after engaging with it in a serious way with being disingenuous

The biggest point of critique againstEngels is that he is effectively strawmanning anti-authoritarians, by using a definition of authority that differs from the anarchist definition in a fundamental way.

You mean the definition of authority that the video you linked as a rebuttal is based on? Because that is the one that is being critiqued in a Marxist Response

he repeats the same mistake that Engels did and takes Engels’ definition as the only logical one

The argument is that the alternate definition that the anarchist proposes is incoherent.

And how can you be sure? Given nontransparent smokescreen of all red imperialist countries like USSR, China and North Korea?

You call them imperialist without having an understanding of imperialism.

For example, explain China increasing in manufacturing output as a percent of their economy as they enter and push into the middle income bracket?

Also, how the hell is the DPRK imperialist? The only place they've invaded was a US military dictatorship in the same country that they're in, while the US dictatorship was slaughtering 10s of thousands of protestors.

Oh yes, USSR, the famous standard of democracy /s

Yes. If you can't explain how the soviet councils were layered and how elections were carried out then don't pretend like you can argue about this in an informed way.

China uses a similar system and has a 95 percent approval rate, according to Harvard Surveys.

*replace it with the gulag system

This is holocaust trivialization. The gulags were not meant to kill people, and the mortality rate in them reflects this.

He literally just cites abridged arguments from “The problems with on authority”

Read "A Marxist Response to “The problems with on authority” ": https://hexbear.net/post/2141265

Also yeah, I watched it so everyone else doesn't have to waste time

The dictatorship of the proletariat literally just means that the bourgeoisie are suppressed politically until they can be integrated into the rest of society, it doesn't mean a dictatorship, it means a democracy where the former oppressors don't get a seat at the table.

Hey, I stepped into an anarchist space to read the most popular critique of on authority, you can step into a non-sectarian left space to read a critique of the critique.

Marx denouncing dogmatism meaning Marx hates MLs is a really incorrect point. You'd have to think MLs are dogmatists to believe it.

Most communists are some branch of ML, even moreso if you exclude the imperial core. The CPC has over 100 million members.

You are the fringe subsection of the left.

That seems like sarcasm not bad faith, there is a difference.

Let me guess, you've read "The problems with on authority", but haven't read "A Marxist Response to "The problems with on authority" " ?

Here you go: https://hexbear.net/post/2141265

These folks would be like "here is how Hitler can still win" in 1945

That is the current situation, Ukraine with its alliances are still gradually losing militarily

I am quite sure that now amount of torture in western countries is negligible when compared with China and North Korea

This sounds like western chauvinism. Hoe can you be sure? The US has soo many blacksites, hell even local PDs have them.

Guantanamo or Pinoshit. Actually Pinoshit and Franco should not be counted as nominal western mindset, since they are authoritarian fascist piece of shits.

Pinochet was straight up supported by the west until it was too politically inconvenient, but by that time he'd already done his job of eradicating the left. Franco wouldn't have won if it wasn't for Britain, France, etc, enforcing "no arms and troops shipments" for the USSR but not for Italy and Germany. And they also weren't willing to accept Spanish republican gold.

I despise all authoritarian despots equally, no matter fascist Franco or “communist” Stalin.

Hmm. One of these people was a dictator. The other was democratically elected and lead the industrialization of a society that allowed it to defeat the industrial superpower that was Germany and end the holocaust.

The red terror was much smaller than the white terror, and the torture is nothing that capitalist countries don't do on the regular. I for one would like to decrease the amount of torture in the world.

I mean, you've obviously done a successful revolution in your country, so you definitely know stuff about how to build socialism.

Wait did you not know about the anarcho-communists doing labor camps?

My point is that authoritarian is a useless word. Anarchists accuse left wingers of being authoritarian and then do the exact same thing with a different name. Just accept that some parts of revolution are gonna suck and gonna have excesses.

anarcho-communism

Mfw the anarcho-syndicalists throw me in a labor camp

Authoritarian is just a buzzword armchair generals throw around. All states rely on authority, including anarchist attempts like in Catalonia and Ukraine.