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Lol that minimizes what fascism actually is. Assassinations have happened throughout history, including before Capitalism and before the crisis within Capitalism that created fascism.

Hey, please refrain from horse shoe theory stuff in this community

Yeah no problem, and I appreciate your perspective on it as a Canadian. 😄

https://www.energymonitor.ai/features/explainer-how-china-is-quietly-becoming-a-renewables-powerhouse/#:~:text=China%20is%20leading%20the%20world%20in%20renewables&text=Wind%20and%20solar%20energy%20are,40%25%20of%20total%20installed%20capacity.

http://english.scio.gov.cn/m/in-depth/2024-03/11/content_117101412.htm#:~:text=The%20concept%20of%20%22whole%2Dprocess,of%20laws%20and%20institutional%20arrangements.

If the party officials are having closed door discussions on who will lead, the mandate of the masses seems obscured, or absent.

Do you mean electeds? The party, which itself has internal democracy, is a seperate institution from the legislatures, which include members of minority parties

Also why do you think it is closed door?

If xi’s popularity took a nose dive, how would the common citizen express their opinion? On what schedule? If the “elected” officials strongly favored keeping xi, but the citizenry strongly favored large leadership change, how would that occur?

If the leadership and people have a disagreement and it isn't resolvable through dialog elected officials can be recalled.

Well, socialist countries operate on concensus for major positions- the idea is that the vote is only part of the democratic process, and a large part of democracy lives in creating constructive feedback cycles between the people and the government and between different levels of government where concerns are understood and addressed.

If there was a competitor for Xi, it would not be part of the voting process, it would be in discussions amongst electeds for who is best for the role, and then a vote would happen where people approve of or disapprove of their representatives choice.

Literally Harvard affiliated studies show immense satisfaction with the government

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/

Have realistic elections been happening?

Yes, have you looked at how elections function in China?

On one hand yes, on the other hand China is a democracy with a dominant marxist leninist party which understands that imperialism is an unstable system and that mutual development is better for the long term stability and prosperity of China because MLs literally wrote the book on understanding imperialism

They've explicitly said "the era of zero sum diplomacy is over"

Temporarily” has a pretty consistent habit of becoming permanent. It’s either malicious or extremely naive on Lenin’s part to believe that ypu can concentrate power into the hands of a few people and then they’ll just voluntarily give it up.

Temporary refers to disenfranchising the former bourgeoisie and nobility, not concentrating power? The USSR had a four tier federated legislative structure with the executive appointed by the legislature.

Which term is Xi on now at this point again? Oh right, he made himself dictator for life…

Yeah, and Castro was also dictator for life /s

I know it is unimaginable to you that leaders can stay popular and maintain a democratic mandate because you live in a bourgeois democracy but come on.

You know that term limits were invented because FDR was too popular right? They are an antidemocratic measure.

dictatorship

Are you referring to "dictatorship of the proletariat"? Because if you read what he wrote, it means "democracy where the former oppressor class is temporarily politically disenfranchised"

It feels like you're playing telephone with yourself while trying to get zingers in

Which is part if why communism has always failed or collapsed into a fascist state capitalism (like China).

China has better life expectancy than the US when it was a feudal state occupied by Japan 80 years ago, what is your metric for failure lol? China is also leading the renewable push, and has made massive innovations in participatory democracy.

MODHAT calling communist nations fascist serves to enable holocaust trivialization, doing this again will net you a ban.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/03/28/economy/china-rescue-lending-belt-and-road-study-intl-hnk

China has forgiven billions in loans

Also literally read Lenin's definition of imperialism before you start saying bullshit like "taking over assets in another country is imperialism"

We nuke bigotry, we are not willing to make this place unwelcoming for people so right wingers feel more comfy expressing their opinions.

You don't get to be overtly bigoted toward trans people here, sorry! 😭

Someone didn't read about how automation serves to discipline workers and make it even harder to collectively bargain I see

authoritarian fascist

Please just say fascist, authoritarian has horseshoe theory vibes which we don't allow on this com.

Limited political pluralism, realized with constraints on the legislature, political parties and interest groups.

If you're talking about overton window size, this seems to apply more strongly to bourgeois democracy? The difference between fascist and liberal seems a lot smaller than the range of political opinion you'd find within the CPC or the old CCCP. I would recommend watching some translated videos of normal national assembly meetings in socialist countries

Political legitimacy based upon appeals to emotion and identification of the regime as a necessary evil to combat “easily recognizable societal problems, such as underdevelopment or insurgency”.

Socialist countries base their legitimacy on having more thorough democratic representation than bourgeois democracies. Look up participatory democracy and whole process peoples democracy and compare that to bourgeois theories of democracy. Maybe also look up democratic centralism and the notion of strong vs weak delegates.

Minimal political mobilization, and suppression of anti-regime activities.

There are over 100 million members of the CPC. In Vietnam every couple hundred people have a dedicated party representative that is their designated point of contact with the party. Do you have a designated point of contact for your neighborhood?

Ill-defined executive powers, often vague and shifting, which extends the power of the executive.

Socialist countries, with the exemption of during ww2 when fighting against the nazis, generally have a weaker executive more subject to discipline than capitalist countries.

And when you compare ww2 ussr to ww2 Britain you'll probably see the ussr as more democratic, and that is while 1/6 of their population was being exterminated

Can you post the definition you're citing?

Okay but bow is authoritarian useful? Can you find a definition that applies to Vietnam, Cuba, China, etc, that doesn't also apply to the governments of NATO countries like the US, France, England, etc?

Why would you call them authoritarian when you can just call them fascist?

"Authoritarian" is connected to horseshoe theory which has holocaust trivialization history, please avoid using it