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Okay, well let me clarify. I think they were justified in doing so. I don't want them or their proxies obtaining nukes because unlike Russia or even North Korea, they're actually suicidal enough to use them.

You're misquoting him - that's bad faith. Whether or not you believe him is a separate issue. When you criticize someone for what they said, you should address their actual words - not your interpretation of them.

His unscripted comments did not include that, full stop.

Nor did they include the "fine people on both sides" comment that people are misquoting.

But it’s this very specific quote that people are misrepresenting. It’s not like he first said “there were fine people on both sides” and then, a few days later, clarified that he wasn’t talking about the Nazis. He said there were fine people on both sides and explicitly added that he was not referring to the Nazis - and it’s that latter part people omit when they spread the “fine people on both sides” quote.

This is where the "fine people on both sides" quote originates from.

Snopes article on the matter.

The issue with echo chambers is that they reinforce people’s existing beliefs instead of challenging them. That often comes with extreme hostility toward anyone who doesn’t share those beliefs. If the left in the US wants to win elections they need people to vote for them who might have voted right in the past. In order to achieve this, minds needs to be changed, and that doesn't happen in echo chambers. I’m sure you can see the value in a left-leaning person going to a place like Truth Social and, in a calm and respectful way, arguing against the claims they disagree with. Well, in my view, Lemmy could use something similar.

I also don’t think right-wingers are the only ones to blame when it comes to the breakdown of polite discussion. If you put someone who feels just as strongly about the left as people here feel about the right, it’s no surprise it turns into a mudslinging match. It takes two to tango.

Maybe you should re-read my original comment? Because unless you think that Lemmy is not a left wing echo chamber then I have no clue what you're arguing about here exactly.

Misrepresenting what someone says is a textbook example of bad faith so doing that in a discussion about bad faith is ironic to say the least. What he actually thinks is unrelated to this discussion as it's about what he said. You'd call people out for twisting your words so hold yourself to the same standards.

What else do I need to know about them?

That people identify on the political right outside of US as well?

Speaking of bad faith..

Yes, and just like Trump, I'm not speaking of the white nationalists and nazies.

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."

Source

“The right” consists of individuals, just like “the left” does - and there’s plenty of bad faith to be found on both sides.

People often accuse me of being a troll because I tend to voice views that are unpopular on this platform. Personally, I just don’t see any point in talking about things we all already agree on. I’d much rather try to change the views of those I disagree with - or have them try to change mine.

Not since I stopped posting on .ml communities

It’s just as much a left-wing echo chamber as Truth Social is a right-wing one - and that’s a problem in both cases. Some might say it’s fine because we’re on the right side of history and they’re not, or something along those lines - but the people on Truth Social think the exact same thing. No one’s views ever change that way.

Name for this kind of slogan is a "Thought-terminating clishé"

A thought-terminating cliché (also known as a semantic stop-sign, a thought-stopper, bumper sticker logic, or cliché thinking) is a form of loaded language—often passing as folk wisdom—intended to end an argument and quell cognitive dissonance with a cliché rather than a point.

Many. Yet they're still justified in striking a nuclear bomb-making facility in a nation that has more or less said it plans to use it.

unprovoked attack on their energy infrastructure

That's one way of putting it.

I'm still waiting for that ease of mind. I could live 2 years off my savings yet most of my anxiety remains financial.

Who said it was “totally annihilated”?

It’s a tunnel system over 70 meters beneath a mountain. To totally annihilate it, you’d need more GBU-57s than exist in the world - or a nuke.

A decent entry-level hardtail.