Ookami38 @ Ookami38 @sh.itjust.works

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Wow thanks for the information. I think this pretty well illustrates the point. The states have 22 times the rail as Czechia, so we'd expect Czechia to have 1/22 the incidents the states have. Now we need the number of incidents in each country and we can make a proper comparison.

I don't expect you to provide that, though, you've been more than enough help for a villain of such infamy miss Bonny ;p

I'm grateful that the small electrical fire I had two years ago was able to be put out and didn't destroy my home.

I'm grateful that the pothole I hit last year only destroyed a wheel, and not my whole car. I'm even more grateful that it didn't launch me into traffic, probably killing me.

I wish these things hadn't happened at all. I'm not grateful that they occurred. I'm grateful that they weren't WORSE.

I've also learned and taken steps to mitigate further disasters of the se nature from possibly becoming these worst case scenarios. I keep the fire extinguisher closer. I slow down a bit more and keep more follow distance.

This is why people choose to be grateful that a small tragedy isn't a larger one. It lets us get some perspective, learn what is actually important about these situations, and take steps to make them less likely to occur in the future. I'm also a bit happier today, I'm able to say "it could be so much worse."

Perhaps not forced, I'm not really a fan of that much state control, but broader adoption, more public and government support (support, not force), things like this. I'll confess I don't have a "perfect" solution, I doubt anyone does, but it's definitely not any of the ones we're using today.

Who's pretending anything here? And who's grateful for a spill? Certainly not me, are these people here with us?

It's like you read one word, and make the rest of the argument up.

This is, yes, one of the options my post allows for.

They're offering a bit of hope to people, that it isn't as bad as other recent incidents. And that's true. OP also probably doesn't HAVE any meaningful solutions, they're probably about 40 steps removed from anything that could impact this. May as well let people know it's not another MASSIVE spill.

Sure. People need some cope in their lives, that's not a bad thing. Mental health is precarious enough without catastrophizing everything, and instead seeing what's happening as it really is.

Focusing on making big problems into smaller problems, though, is a real thing. Why did this one only spill 100 gallons, what's different between this spill and the 1000+ gallon spills, and how can we get more of the former, instead of the latter?

If you cannot differentiate between a small catastrophe and a large one, you can't adequately examine them to figure out how to make more of the bigger catastrophes into smaller ones. It's not all or nothing. It's not any spill or no spill. Spills will happen, it happens here, it happens in other countries, and it'll keep happening as long as industry exists. Learn, so as to minimize future catastrophes.

Of note, though. I have not once attempted to absolve the company of their wrongs. They still fucked up. It could have been a much more massive fuck up, though, and I for one am happier that it's a (relatively speaking) small incident than I would be if we had another, say, East Palestine.

Sure there is. If you get equally upset over every injustice, you lose sight of what's actually important. Not all situations are equally bad, and thus shouldn't be treated as if they are.

Spilling 100 gallons of fuel is BAD. Spilling 1000 gallons of fuel is WORSE. People should be thankful that it was 100, not 1000 because:

1. It makes people less miserable. Seriously, if you're upset over every small injustice equally, you're going to be just miserable. Find the silver lining.
2. It focuses on all-or-nothing solutions. If you say 100 gallons and 1000 gallons are just as bad, because it's still a spill, it means I, as a company, have no reason to incentivize disaster mitigation. Bad things will happen, it's important to put measures in place specifically to minimize them. To turn this disaster from a 1000 gallon disaster into a 100 gallon disaster.

To address this a bit further up, where more eyes can see it: yes, be pissed that this happened at all, but it's absolutely okay to be thankful it wasn't worse. To not be thankful it was hundreds and not thousands, tens of thousands, is psychotic. Don't let that keep you from your anger at these companies, though. The derailment still happened, fuel was still spilled, don't forget it.

And you're an ignoramus and buffoon, I can do that too. Got an actual rebuttal, or just wanna prove yourself as dense as you seem to be?

I am curious about the amount of rail in those countries vs the US. I know Europe likes their passenger trains a ton more than the US, but the US loves freight trains, and that seems to be where most of the derailments happen.

If the United States has, like, 20x the freight rail/trains, it would make sense for them to have 20x more derailments, essentially adjusting for population of freight trains. Not to give a pass to the States, for sure, but knowing this number would be a bit more helpful.

What a false dichotomy. You can be thankful things weren't worse, AND be pissed off it happened at all. Two things can exist at the same time it happens every day!

I don't think he was defending the company, more saying that OF COURSE they're going to do big layoffs, it only makes sense, and so if you (the courts) don't stop them, then well... You don't blame a lion for hunting a gazelle, it's just what they do.

The problem is that the actual people who make decisions are -legally required- to seek as much profit as possible, for any public for-profit company. Saying you can punish the individual in charge for behaving immorally puts them in a catch-22. Suddenly, they're damned if they make a moral decision that costs shareholders money, and damned if they make an immoral decision in pursuit of profit.

We need a better system where profit isn't the final thing, or at least isn't the ONLY thing. The punishments need to come, somehow, from the whole company, but as is that's really only punishing the have-nots at the bottom of the stack, for any financial punishment for them will hurt much more than a punishment for those at the top, and obviously imprisonment is off the table unless -an individual- does something worth imprisonment.

Why must the state own anything, for it to be a more equitable situation? The people who do the work should own the work, all getting a say in what happens, in terms of what they're doing, where they're going, and who's getting fired. The closest thing to "owning" an individual would have is a person, or likely a team, functioning as spokespersons for negotiating with the state or other companies, but only to communicate how the workers have chosen to conduct business, the only real power they have being communication.

That make you a pizza cutter then, boss? All edge and no point?

This whole thing is too phallus-y for me.

Christ I found "at ease soldier" and "socialite" just clicking through. It's worse that a human thinks those are color names lmao. They do get points for "utaupia" tho.

Within the image, realizing that everything is connected seems to be knowledge, and realizing the specific method of connection seems to be wisdom. Realistically, intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit, but wisdom is knowing a tomato-based fruit salad is salsa.

The simple truth is that you're in the minority. Most people aren't quite so diligent about avoiding them.