Olgratin_Magmatoe @ Olgratin_Magmatoe @startrek.website

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I'm aware that's how it works in practice. I'm saying that even by conservative, capitalist idealism they should have been shut down for being bigots.

What ever happened to the free market deciding? I thought the whole point of capitalism is that if you do awful things your business dies?

They should have lost all of their customers the moment the public found out what they were doing. Some of us aren't going back to such a business.

*bribe

It's legalized bribery.

That's assuming that they could understand Federation text books, and that their metaphor based thinking wouldn't make it nigh impossible for them.

it’s possible that they only use that weird allegory reference pattern when speaking formally to strangers or whatever

It seems like an awfully bad idea to use a communication method that doesn't transfer what you mean if you have a better option available.

It’s also possible that their language in the original version makes more sense and is more practical and it just gets mangled by the universal translator.

I doubt that's the case. I don't see how a non-metaphor based language would get turned into a metaphor based one through a software bug. Some big hand waving would need to happen for that.

IMO the Tamarians probably have brains that are structurally different such that their metaphors come far more naturally.

I think half of the episode is the Tamarians genuinely struggling with human language. If the federations translation software wasn't up to the task, it isn't surprising that the Tamarian's software wasn't up for it either.

Based on the episode, it was posibly the first time Tamarians ever had friendly and successful first contact. Because if they had it previously, they might have asked for help translating when meeting new races such as with the Federation. The episode would have went a lot different if they had an Adorian ambassador with them saying "Yeah these guys talk in metaphor and only metaphor".

They've also run things like the pioneer plaques (or maybe it was arecibo) past other scientists, who often have difficulty discerning the meaning behind them. If human scientists have difficulty discerning the meaning, I can only imagine what kind of difficulty aliens who speak in metaphor would have, let alone if they weren't linguists/scientists, which appear to be the case in the episode.

We evolved to hunt, and so it is suspected that as a result of that, we understand arrows to indicate direction. A species that hasn't evolved in such a way might not understand the meaning of arrows. Apply that same principle to language and you potentially have your problem.

They may have tried that in the past to no avail. The episode specifically mentions there was several failed attempts at first contact.

A guide only works if you understand the guide. Think of it like this, if I sent you all 1679 ones and zeros from the arecibo message to you, but you didn't understand the concept of zero, you'd have a hard time understanding what the message meant, even if the message itself was self explanatory.

Their language isn't just grammatically different, it is uses a fundamentally different structure, and the Tamarian brain might be structurally different as well, able to easily account for language when young. So there may not be much of a "base language" that the metaphors are built on so to speak.

IMO any redesign will carry the same manifest destiny, imperialism/douchebag energy as the existing one.

And thats why i should vote for one of the two parties?

That's why we're stuck with 3 options, with only one of them making sense.

Here i thought you were telling me to vote for the democrats.

I am.

A single congressman isn't enough.

So we should vote democrat? Lmao Are you hearing yourself?

So we should vote for the democrats that aren't establishment democrats, the ones that will actually fix the situation.

Our tax dollars are going to genocide because of the tacid support our politicians get from people like you.

No, it's because of the two party system.

You are the problem, you are the person who refuses to do anything different.

I am saying we need to do something different. Have you not been paying attention?

I will vote for a candidate that has a platform I can support and nothing else.

And in doing so you'll waste your vote, allowing the worst possible option (Trump) to get voted in.

The dems continue to get elected because of the Two party system. They aren’t going to change it.

Establishment democrats won't let it happen, but they can't do shit if they don't get elected, and actually good candidates get elected instead.

Which means all levels of government are involved. And this issue needs to be fought in the primaries as well.

You vote blue you will still have red on your hands.

There will be red on everyone's hands no matter what. No matter who we choose, our tax dollars are going to genocide.

The least we can do, the bare fucking minimum is to reduce the amount of red.

You'll have just as much red on your hands as I do. But the difference is that you're willing to let it be more red.

The same course is better than one that drives straight into a wall at 100mph.

Trump is just going to encourage the current genocide. He is going to further destroy environmental protections and stiffle our efforts to prevent climate change from worsening.

At least under Biden the EPA doesn't let oil companies shit directly into our mouths.

That's what we get with a two party system. The parties don't really need to compete through better policy, simply spending more and being marginally less bad in the eyes of the voters on your side of the line is enough of a strategy for them.

If 3rd parties were viable, democrats would actually have to compete in the ways that matter, and we wouldn't see shitty politicians like Biden as much.

But we're not going to get that until election reform (STAR & Approval voting, ban on money in politics, etc) happens.

By voting for either of them you support both parties.

Voting for one of them is our only choice if we wish to influence the course of our country.

I will not vote for the party of genocide supply. Aka the dems.

They're both supporting the ongoing genocide. This isn't helpful for deciding who to vote for.

Local candidates are not going fix the two party system. That’s a national issue.

Which is why I specified local/congressional. It's going to take all levels of government to unfuck us from a two party system.

I don’t know the solution, but buying into the Dems bullshit “lesser of Two evils” AGAIN is not it.

Only one of these choices is actively trying to turn our country into a theocratic hell hole.

The "lesser of two evils" is fucking awful, but it's true.

Have fun being the same chump you were 8 years ago.

If you can't talk about politics without resorting to personal insults then you must know how weak your argument is.