OccamsTeapot @ OccamsTeapot @lemmy.world

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the people who beat them into a submissive "it's all pointless" mentality

I don't believe that and never did that. All I did is criticise Biden for supporting the genocide and Harris for saying she'd do the same. If you don't understand why someone might do that despite wanting the democrats to win the election, you really might be too far gone.

The worst thing is someone who is so cynical and unhappy that they can't tell genuine belief and genuine concern from some evil ploy on behalf of their enemies.

If you don't believe anything I say I guess there really is no point in this discussion. In any case, look after yourself.

As I said, I'm not American or in America and I still get it. Last time the day Trump got elected and this time so far I have gotten no work done because it's just so fucking miserable

You're sitting here a) as someone I 100% blame for this outcome. You got people to stay home, full stop. There's zero doubt about it.

You are utterly delusional. I never once advocated for not voting or voting for Trump. Never. That's why you haven't found an example of me doing it. If by criticising US support for a genocide I am somehow to blame for this outcome I don't know what to tell you. I will never let that slide and nobody with morals should let it slide either.

I would've never considered not voting in the past but here I am wondering what the fucking point is. Burn the US to the ground. It's happening against my will so why fucking fight it.

Despite that, this is really sad dude. Take a break. Be with your loved ones. I really hope things get better.

It has to do good to be useful. It's accurate to say the voters are at fault for the outcome of the election, it's just so obvious it's downright brain dead and so useless that if analysis stops there it will result in a red 2028 too.

The people who need to improve that we can actually effect change in are the DNC leadership. If you don't see that you are as blind as the MAGA crowd.

By your weird logic the election results cannot be real because they will result in evil

Yeah when your summary of someone's logic is this stupid it's safe to say you have probably misunderstood something.

Trump voters and possible Trump voters are either stupid, racist or not really thinking things through. That is all bad. But is it so confusing for you that people expect the dems to actually manage this situation and genuinely appeal to voters rather than simply expecting voters to stop making bad decisions? What good will blaming the voter do? NONE.

It might feel good, and I can understand that. You're allowed to be mad at them. But they are normal people worried about their grocery bill and (probably) not making detailed analyses of party platforms. The democratic leaders are the ones who are supposed to win at politics by appealing to them.

The thing is, you advocated the approach the dems went for, and lost with. All of the people complaining about Palestine did not. And despite your claims they generally did not believe Trump would have been better.

I'm not saying Palestine cost them the election, the problem is much bigger, but perhaps standing for something or especially standing for what is RIGHT would have made a difference. Turnout could have been the killer and that could have had an impact.

Anyway, I don't really get what caused it but I feel for you all. I don't even live there and it fucking sucks even for me. Shitty day, many more coming.

Best take I've read so far. Racism/misogyny/stupidity etc are certainly all factors but this is the main issue, absolutely. Everything sucks and pretending it's all fantastic and nothing needs to change is a delusional campaign strategy

I always make this mistake. I will leave it there for shame

Unfortunately, at some point you have to come to terms with the fact that you're sharing your country with a bunch of racist morons, and them plus the group who shift with the wind, don't check candidates' promises against the facts and apparently have no moral principles equals enough people to win the election.

It is fucking depressing. I feel for you all. When Britain showed it's true colours I left the country. Same problems, fortunately not as bad an outcome (although still pretty bad).

I hope the DNC learns from this. They won't, but I hope they do anyway.

Actually sounds cool!

So in cases like this I'll just drop a link proving my point

Would be interesting to see it...

which you either won't respond to or will write thousands of words defending your position from 4 months ago or whatever

And now you're assuming I'm an asshole again? You must see the possibility that you're misremembering something and have completely got my intentions/beliefs wrong?

If you can find me praising Trump or saying vote for him (or not to vote at all) even one time I will admit I'm wrong. But I literally never have and never would.

I hope Harris wins and we never have to listen to him again. And I can't wait to be able to talk about Gaza without this getting in the way.

A TAN SUIT?! Good heavens how uncouth

Now you are just lying.

Hmm tagging anybody who doesn't agree with you as a "zealot" makes you seem like the zealot.

I hate Trump. Take a look through my comments.

It had a horrible tone so I skipped it.

Sorry for the tone. But you are accusing somebody of lying because you insist on painting others as ridiculous caricatures instead of engaging with them in good faith and it pisses me off. It doesn't matter what tone you take doing this, you are the problem.

I am absolutely astounded that I can be falsely called an "anti Biden zealot" and this is not "uncivil" but my initial comment was.

Yeah I mean let's not resort to pearl clutching. Look at the guy in the replies doing the "groomer" routine and ask if you want to be that guy.

It's just a joke, the kids who were in the audience (and probably shouldn't have been) will be fine.

There are many things to insult Trump for, no need for this ridiculous Puritanism. Personally the overt racism bothers me a lot more than a blow job joke that a kid would probably not even get

It's funny how you can flat out accuse someone of lying about their vote because you simply don't believe them and that is totally fine, but when I pointed out the issues with doing that this is "uncivil" and must be removed.

This person told you how they voted. The only reason you don't believe them is because you have been lied to and you have bought into the lies. People mad about the current line on Gaza are generally not voting Trump, they are just mad at Biden and Harris. Perhaps if you have a zero sum mindset this is difficult to understand but it really is very simple.

Yeah good point

He is scared and coming across like a bitter asshole. The mic deep throating would have been arguably "funny" but the whole mood was sour because all he was really doing was bitching and whining about them not setting up his mic properly. Surely even Trump voters must wonder how he could manage an actual problem if he turns into an absolute manbaby at the most minor of hiccups

Step 1: FOLLOW US LAW AND STOP GIVING THEM WEAPONS

Let's see if she ever gets this far. I am not holding my breath

This is exactly why this discussion is insufferable. You have literally been told how this person voted but you are so convinced by your own bullshit (ie that anyone mad about US support for genocide must, for some god damn reason, support Trump) that you don't even believe it.

I cannot wait for the 6th so that we can have this conversation without it getting sidetracked by overly loyal democrats condescendingly explaining how first past the post works as if we don't know already.

Absolutely! I don't think that is necessarily implied by not endorsing, that's all