OccamsTeapot @ OccamsTeapot @lemmy.world

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Yeah of course that is possible. With the US system though it seems like there is literally no point. If you don't want trump you should vote for Biden, that is the only choice.

But the fact that this is brought up every time Biden does something shit or supports a genocide or whatever is what I take issue with. The election has made people too wary to criticise him and they are apparently blind to how stupid this looks. Like they learned nothing whatsoever from 2016.

Anyway I'm not American anyway so don't worry about it. The situation is the same in the UK except Labour is comfortably going to win anyway despite having a dog shit candidate. Biden I'm not so sure, and that worries me.

Is this post about the election? Or the fucking CURRENT PRESIDENT'S decisions?

Edit: the other choice, which should worry everybody, is not voting. Doesn't matter if it's illogical, lots of voters are illogical

Genocide is just such a niche issue I don't see how you expect Biden to care /s

Guess who's taking about Trump here? NOBODY.

You have absolutely no idea how weak this line of argument makes Biden look. Oh you'd be better than literally the worst person to have ever been president? Wow omg I can't wait to vote for you. Talk about a low fucking bar.

Did you see the video? Looks pretty normal.

Sounds like you’re not very familiar with the tactics booth sides use.

Wow if only we could all be as smart as you. Don't be an asshole. Oh I'm so sorry I didn't know the details of how exactly they clear away murdered civilians with armoured bulldozers. We aren't all used to witnessing this horrific shit and the twisted logic of the people who just feel compelled to defend genocide.

Well they did for the moon landing, and have as a policy since 1979.

I didn't know about why that orbiter failed though, pretty funny!

Guess which system NASA uses

FYI, the IDF regularly uses bulldozers to clear bodies for fear of suicide vests.

Famously very safe to have a bomb go off next go a vehicle you're operating. Just fucking check manually at that point.

And obviously in this situation these people were clearly not on the way to do a suicide bombing but honestly nobody thought that in the first place. This is just a long line of excuses used by a genocidal government to whitewash the most flagrant of their crimes.

Disgusting. Before you jump to "obviously, who expected being a hostage to be nice, this is sad but normal in war blah blah blah" just remember all of the despicable bullshit that Zionists say to justify the massive civilian casualties and continuous war crimes of Israel. If you sound like them you are not on the side of humanity.

Fuck Hamas and fuck every single one of them that did something like this.

What a pathetic little bitch

Well those hospitals aren't going to blow themselves up

Yeah obviously "worst in history" is ridiculous. But Gaza is certainly worse than Ukraine, saying otherwise is asinine

Biden is under no obligation to provide thousands of bombs to a country whose leader has consistently ignored him as Israel wages a brutal war that has leveled much of Gaza and caused children to die of starvation. “We need to stick to our own values,” Ford said. “If our values say, ‘Starving children is way beyond the pale,’ then we need to react to that and take stern action, whether or not it changes Israeli policy.”

Woah woah woah you mean have principles and actually stick to them? In an election year? Outrageous. /s

I like how the article points out in a couple of places how Ronald fucking Reagan took more action against Israel than Biden has.

And for posting this you get downvotes. Not because anything is wrong with it or because it isn't relevant to the community, just because Biden is failing on this issue and there is a hardened cadre of pathetic tribalist babies who can't handle an ounce of criticism of a president sending weapons to a genocidal government.

Sticking your heads in the sand will not win you the election.

History suggests that foreign policy issues end up as a minor motif in presidential politics unless American soldiers are dying in combat as they were in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2004.

History does suggest that but we are in the present. It's now rated one of the top issues facing the country. Maybe voters will forget all about it by November, but it seems pretty important as things stand now.

Best hope for Biden is for this nightmare in Gaza to end. Obviously Trump is worse, but it's not a good look for Biden in any case. He could stop supporting Israel but I don't know what the death toll would have to reach for that to happen

I would say albums as an art form overall. Yes of course some bands and musicians will still write an album in this way, but music has been playlist-ified to the point where most people won't listen to it like that. You take a song or two from it and forget the rest exist. My perception is that it's been a dying thing for some time now.

I also pick off my favourite songs from most albums, to be fair. But there are some albums that are best viewed as a single piece of art and I feel like that understanding from both listeners and artists is dying. If you just listen to Money and Breathe (In the Air) when they show up in your shuffle, are you really listening to Dark Side of the Moon?

They are at 1.5% of the population of Gaza and daily death tolls have fallen month after month. If that's the goal shouldn't the killing apparatus become more effective and not 20% less so each month?

If Israel was stupid then yeah they'd ramp up the killing after the ICJ ruled that it was a plausible case of genocide. If they were not stupid maybe they would slow down.

So the question is: do you think Israel is stupid?

This is embarrassing dude, stop

What about this one ?

Both US and Israel are democratic countries

Doubt. Can you be an apartheid state and democratic at the same time? Can you approve illegal settlements in Palestinian territories while giving the Palestinians no say in this and truly be a democracy? Seems suspect at best.

The US also clearly does not agree with this. So I would say their values do not appear to be so close either.

I'm also not sure that siding with a country that is hated in the entire region is the best defense against Iran. Would that not push everyone else in the region to a more anti-US position? I'm sure the US would deter Iran from becoming a nuclear superpower just fine even without Israel's "support" (in quotation marks because I am not sure what exactly they do for the US specifically).

whilst Israel's actions may not be ideal

Well we agree here at least, lol. Not "ideal," yes quite. Ideally we wouldn't be starving children to death but boy aren't you happy the Iranians are slightly less bullish, maybe.

Regarding Jordan, their values are not so close to the ones of US. Also, not that long time ago they were in a war and in the last days, they seem to get closer and closer to Iran.

I think the US has good relations with Jordan though? Also I haven't heard about the recent thing with Iran.

But overall, I think it's questionable at best to support Israel right now because of "Iran" when you know full well that any weapons you send will be used to kill innocents within a few days. Why not support Israel against Iran, when relevant, but not support them when they're doing a genocide?

It seems so basic I feel like I'm going insane. Are these the people you share values with, seriously? Yeah you're a monster but the enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that.

The US seems to be changing tack on this and my only complaint is that it didn't happen months ago. Too many people have died and too much suffering has taken place. Israel deserves to be a pariah state

Ma boi beelz has my back