NoneOfUrBusiness @ NoneOfUrBusiness @kbin.social

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I mean the US is 15% immigrants, or about 50 million people. I know we like to shit on the US but that's a ridiculously big number.

Okay honestly as a fellow Muslim (I think you mentioned that somewhere else before???) what you're doing right now is actually shameful. Just a week ago one man was arrested because he was advising people to not drink or smoke. Uighurs are literally sent to concentration camps and are subjected to forced labor and there you are defending their treatment because you don't like the West. You need to rethink your priorities, seriously.

here’s an interesting fact, they are the only Turkic people who still use their centuries old script, and haven’t been secularized and westernized unlike Turks in the former USSR or Turkiye.

I mean yes that's the problem. Islam is no longer foreign to China; again the Hui are as Chinese as the Han. Islam is not, in fact, xeno in China. The Uighurs are, being Turkic people.

Western rights groups have been mostly silent.

What? The Palestinian cause has progressed light years thanks to the work of groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. They came late to the party but they have not been silent, no way.

I mean tbf Islamophobia on an Indian subreddit isn't surprising.

I mean he's not wrong, but where does he expect China to get immigrants from? They're 20% of the world.

Okay I hate the West as much as any other guy, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. China 1400 years ago isn't in any way the same as China today. Nowadays it's that most Muslim Chinese groups are accepted as Chinese (the Hui are about as Chinese as the Han, for example) and that's why they can practice Islam in peace; otherwise you're treated like the Uighurs. Also foreigners in China are absolutely treated as outsiders; that's just a fact.

I mean tbf (at least in my case as an Egyptian) it's not just the high salaries. Maybe Egypt is an extreme case but this country just has no future. The regime isn't just dictatorial; it's also dumb. There's almost no money going to scientific research, the system as a whole was outdated 50 years ago, the military is monopolizing everything and undercutting the market because they can use slave conscript labor and don't pay taxes, etc etc. I'm firmly of the opinion that this is at least partially caused by Britain's unwillingness to fully decolonize in the 1920s and their godawful decolonization in the 1950s, but the fact remains that these countries have a duty to their people that they're not fulfilling, and that's why brain drain happens.

As a living example of said brain drain, salaries were near the bottom of my priority list when I made the decision. I was more concerned about living somewhere where I don't need to worry about being arrested because I said my opinion on the internet (or even just complained about prices) or because I do my prayers at the mosque (I was actually told by my mother to not go to the mosque all the time because I might get arrested. It's that bad). Below that were things like a sane administration that actually cares about things being even just barely functional, a decent education system and academia and the ability to have confidence that the country will actually exist in 20 years. Living in a wildly different country (especially as a Muslim in Japan as is my case (halal food is a pain to get here)) is such a pain you couldn't pay me to do it, but it's hard to turn down actually getting to have a future.

What I wanna say is that it's not just the Global South being undercut by the West; many Global South countries are failing at fulfilling their responsibility towards their constituents, and that's why they're leaving. Now how much the West was involved in creating this situation is another story, but you can't reduce it to just high salaries. Global South governments, as a rule, aren't interesting in solving their own problems. That's why the problem solvers go solve Western rich people's problems.

Yeah and nobody is saying they don't have agency. You're preaching to... no one?

I'm not sure what you're trying to say anymore. What's the point you're trying to make here?

Man no. Just... No.

That's not it, but in many cases Western imperialism is involved in the conditions that made these people want to leave in the first place.

Okay I entered this thinking "ugh, more shilling for proto-fascism" but you know what? I'm convinced. Take my upvote or whatever we call those here.

Uh... You do realize Northern Gaza is in famine and Israel intends to attack Rafah where 1.4 million people are taking shelter right? The Holocaust was also a multi-year project.

Today, Gaza’s entire population, about 2.2 million people, is classified in IPC 3 (Crisis), IPC 4 (Emergency), or IPC 5 (Catastrophe/Famine). This represents, according to IPC, “the highest share of people facing high levels of acute food insecurity that the IPC initiative has ever classified for any given area or country.” As early as December 2023, according to the IPC, data showed that nearly all households were skipping meals every day. People went entire days and nights without eating in four out of five households in the northern governorates and among displaced populations in the southern governorates.

The crisis in Gaza is also exceptional for the number of people in IPC 5 levels of food insecurity. From February 15 to March 15, the IPC classified 677,000 people in IPC 5, and from March 16 to July 15, 2024, the IPC projects 1,107,000 people, a full half of the Gazan population, to be in IPC 5 (Catastrophe/Famine). At the time of declaration of famine in Somalia in 2011, approximately 490,000 people were classified in IPC 5, while 80,000 people were classified in IPC 5 when famine was declared in South Sudan.

Source: https://www.csis.org/analysis/famine-gaza

I mean maybe but AIPAC's control over American politics is a documented phenomenon. It's beyond the level where we can argue its existence or nonexistence.

We do, an infinitely small amount. Remember you gotta divide by c².

Mostly because that's impossible. Ideally you want small inflation so it's a bad idea to just leave money around, but either way 0% inflation is about as impossible as 0.4999% inflation.

Uh... You're forgetting the Israeli/Jewish lobby. AIPAC is a thing.

Uh... There's a reason Israel hates BDS's guts and that's not because it doesn't work.

The genocide started on 10-8 (or maybe 9) so yeah. He was just quick on the uptake.

I mean yeah that's another name for the Israeli/Jewish lobby. The term is certainly questionable but you can't tell me "the Zionist machine" doesn't perfectly describe the nonsense AIPAC has been up to for the past... I have no idea but a long time.

Man's forgetting the second law of thermodynamics: The house entropy always wins.