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ISTG if this is one of those “Avoiding civilian casualties is white privilege” arguments I will find you and hang you with my Kufiyah for thinking my people are uncontrollable animals who can’t help doing war crimes.

No, it's that any and all acts of violent (and peaceful given that Israel is... Israel but let's set that aside) resistance will generate harm to civilians one way or another. That comes with the whole package of war.

Ok yeah so you do actually just see us stinky brown people as incapable of doing resistance without killing indiscriminately, choke on your fake woke shit and die.

What the fuck? Bruh I'm also "brown" (Egyptian to be specific), and that's not at all what I'm trying to say here. I never at any point defended the indiscriminate killing. I'm saying that the moment you have a large group of people shooting at each other harm will come to bystanders. Especially when you have nonsense like the Hannibal directive at play.

That is some “the Nazis are anti-colonial allies because they fought the British and the French!” tier idiocy you just pulled out of your stank ass.

To use a more accurate analogy, the IRA were and are terrorists who have a decent amount of blood on their hands. They still were freedom fighters.

Hey moghafil, guess where they get the money to buy those Iranian rockets, from Israel itself, they were literally a sock puppet enemy stood up by Bibi to be easier to justify war crimes against than Fatah.

Bruh just drop the ad hominem. Also Israel supports Hamas financially, that's true. But that's more of a case of Israel abusing an existent movement for its goals rather than any actual cooperation.

3-see point 2, but then add the fact that had they not attacked that day those people would not have been caught in a crossfire to begin with

The logical conclusion of this is that any resistance against Israel is bad because it will inevitably harm unrelated people.

4-once again, just because they’re soldiers does not mean they do not count towards the total when determining what is or isn’t a massacre.

No??? A massacre implies either civilians or otherwise defenseless people. Otherwise every war would be a massacre.

The US directly killed only a few thousand civilians in Iraq, and yet it is still fair to blame them for the deaths of hundreds of thousands because their engagement in the Iraq war is what directly led to those hundreds of thousands dying. Same applies to Hamas’ choice to raid over the border.

By that logic nobody should take any acts of resistance, because Israel is able and willing to use anything as an excuse to oppress Palestinians.

You ain’t Palestinian, you probably don’t even know the difference between a ع and a غ, so how about sit down and fucking listen when one of us tells you, yes, they are also horrible people, they are the equal partner of Israel in Gaza’s oppression.

Yeah Hamas are horrible people. They're also freedom fighters. Both of these things can be true at once. Whether you're a freedom fighting depends more on your opponent than your internal policies, and doesn't excuse Hamas from a good number of their leadership needing to be in prison or hanged.

Ignoring for the moment that ISIS is from Iraq and Syria,

They absorbed militants from the weakened Al Qaeda.

1-You're including military personnel.

2-The IDF killed their fair share of people during the attack.

3-Many people died in the crossfire due to the IDF prioritizing killing Hamas soldiers over protecting civilians.

Let's assume that, in an optimistic estimate, 1/4 of civilians who died on October 7th were killed by the IDF (that's less than 200 people). That means the number of civilians Hamas killed is 50% of the total, and there's no way that can be counted as a massacre.

Would you blame them? Death to America is the logical conclusion for a modern Middle Eastern person.

You're talking like Afghanistan was a massive success and not part of how ISIS became what it was at its peak.

You're right in general, but Bibi is a symptom, not a cause. The Israeli public has always been pro-genocide, and they're shifting to, not away, from the right. We need to recognize that a solution is only possible if the international community forces Israel to compromise.

While I'm not denying the atrocities committed on October 7th, the word "massacre" is very misleading. A lot of bad things happened on October 7th, but the evidence increasingly points to massacres not being one of them.

The place where 2 million people live has a government. Shock.

Oh shit my bad. I meant Israeli civilians.

But UNRWA is undeniably doing its part too.

Not really. That's Gazans being rightfully mad at Israel. I mean there's not much you can do to make Gazans pretend to be peace-loving hippies inside classrooms. Like imagine going "we should strive for peace, violence is bad" to people who had their homes destroyed and families murdered by Israel. Idk about you but even if I bought the peace stuff (not happening with the current Israeli political landscape and it's not getting better) I wouldn't have the heart to preach that stuff in front of kids the IDF orphaned.

Just shut up if you have nothing (truthful) to say.

I won't engage with you any further, but I'm curious how you expect Gazans to sing peace's praises when Israel on the other side of the border keeps electing PMs who campaign on denying Palestinians their right to self-determination (and food. And water. And housing. And existence in general).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InternationalaidtoPalestinians#Majordonors

Not all aid to Palestinians goes through UNRWA.

They do, though. A lot of Palestinian aid comes from Arab states.

How is UNRWA perpetuating anything? The conflict isn't ending because Israel doesn't want Palestine to have a state. They've been pretty clear about that.

"40 year" man, Israel has been the 51st state since at least the 70s.

I was gonna seriously respond, but honestly just get a life and stop licking Nazis' boots.

If you're transposing relatively binary American notions of race (invariably based on skin colour) on a conflict half way around the world, you're entirely out of your depth when it comes to Israeli politics and the current conflict.

Uh... That's not what they're doing; they're saying you can't deny the race factor in why Israeli lives are viewed as more important than Palestinian lives in the West, and especially in America. Keyword in the West; we're not talking about Israel itself here.

What? Israel is currently committing genocide, even in areas they successfully occupied. Nazis are the most fitting comparison I've seen.