NeverNudeNo13 @ NeverNudeNo13 @lemmings.world

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Lol, well that narrative appears to have taken a deep turn away from reality.

You guys do understand that from the middle the insane propaganda of the right is nearly indistinguishable from the stuff coming from the left, right?

Plenty of elections have been contested... There is no evidence that I've seen of an attempt towards a coup d'etat.

I don't like the guy either but holy crap... I mean a good chunk of his military administration didn't even necessarily like the guy. I know General Goldfein personally, he wouldn't have allowed Trump to stage a coup... That man was and is about as honorable a general as one could ask for.

You can oppose Trump and also not fall for media sensationalism, I promise you will be okay.

I think it's possible you may be young enough that you don't know or remember the controversy surrounding Reagan, or Bush, or Clinton, or Bush again. I mean Reagan was so controversial that people tried to assassinate him and there media was reporting he was mentally unfit in his second term. Reaganomics was incredibly controversial and Democrats in that day treated it almost the same way that the Republicans today are treating Bidenomics.

Trust me in the grand scheme of American politics Trump isn't wildly unique. I offer those words to everyone not in his defense, because fuck that guy, but in hopes of inspiring a little more calm in the world because it ain't healthy for any of us to be this outraged all the time. All it does is just make us all more vulnerable to being manipulated.

Meh, the world was crazy before Trump and it's going to remain crazy long after he is gone. I didn't care for the guy all that much but I can't see the point in treating him like some giant milestone in American politics.

People thought it was insane that we elected an actor to serve as President just a few decades ago and acted in much the same way then as people act about Trump today.

No no.. this is the dissenting opinion I was referring to...

“We as a board are making it more controversial than it has to be,” said board member Anthony Andrews, who complimented the kids for doing exactly what we want our young people to do: show leadership and initiative, identify problems and find solutions. “If we vote no on this, we send the message that we don’t trust the students."

You know that it's named that because the founder is John Lynch, right?

People had the name long before anyone associated it to murder...

I really wish they would give at least a tiny bit of context to this summary. It would be nice to just know if it was purely malicious or if it was due to some sort of bureaucratic nonsense where they have some sort of strict rules in place that forces them to refuse grants of any kind or something.

Either way it would be ridiculous to refuse... But for fuck's sake at least offer a little bit of context... The summary here just reads like pure outrage porn...

Pitchforks and torches are fucking tiring to carry around all the damn time...

Edit: just read the full article and yeah that's fucked up... school board voted against the grant because of the organization it was coming from and clearly had no desire to evaluate the project on its own merits... The dissenting opinion from one member of the board is actually a really good one and would recommend anyone curious to go read it.

Wildly mistranslated.. it's actually "Palestine, never was, never will be."

Even Jordan and Egypt refuse these people... and they were Jordanian and Egyptian before Egypt and Jordan tried to murder an encampment of war refugees and Holocaust survivors because they were angry at the United Nations... Multiple times...

No dude... Nothing like that... Israel has made plenty of mistakes, especially in the past, and this is an extremely complex issue.

To answer your first question in terms of casualty counts. The very first thing is that casualty counts are very commonly over/under inflated, especially during times of conflict. There are many reasons you may want to over inflate or deflate your numbers. But honestly it is really difficult to take casualty rates at face value. Let's say we take it for what it is and its skewed. Now we run straight into a philosophical conundrum that is probably much to big to effectively argue through on the internet.

Your philosophical position on about a dozen or so moralistic arguments are going to shape your ultimate decision on where you stand in terms of casualty imbalances.

So I will skip all that and give you some of the things that I believe would bring me to your side.

1. If HAMAS releases all of the remaining hostages and surrenders their leadership to stand trial in a neutral international court, and Israel continues to pursue it's offensive operations.
2. If Israel remains present in gaza following the restoration of peace.

I understand where you are coming from, really... And I also appreciate the care that went into crafting your reply with the clear considerations to keep a neutral and rational tone, so I wish to extend the courtesy back.

The major contention I have with your position is that it is only easily justified if it were true that Israel is in fact indiscriminately bombing Palestinians. However the basis in reality to support the indiscriminate claim just doesn't exist at the current point. In fact the specific video posted here is explicitly contradictory to that argument. Israel has developed military technology beyond nearly every other country in the world in order to precisely and discriminatorily be able to target enemy combatants in civilian dense urban areas. The roof knock bombs that IDF use prior to levelling a structure so that citizens can have time to flee the scene is a prime example as well.

Fuck... You're right, it did.

What the hell do you think war is guy? You new to this? Never seen someone's leg blown off before? Ever applied a tourniquet?

Guy this is the exact definition of precise. Literally hits one guy in a crowd. Assuming this asshole is in fact HAMAS, then they literally did it with 0 civilian casualties... So you really better ask yourself who you are cheering for here. HAMAS is literally by their own reports still holding completely innocent civilians hostage right now, and I assure you they aren't just playing Parcheesi with them.

HAMAS started this war by launching tens of thousands of missiles into crowded urban cities intentionally trying to kill civilians.

You can be pro-Palestinian without being pro-HAMAS... Please never forget this. In fact if you are pro Palestinian, you really have to be Anti-HAMAS. HAMAS has literally murdered Palestinians en masse.

Please for the love of all decency, find your way to the middle ground.

I have no clue what you are defending.

Also that's the silliest shit I've ever heard. A tamir interceptor is designed for the interception of rockets, artillery, and mortars. Just consider what the design of a rocket with such a task specific purpose would need to be designed to do. Think about how it would move, how it would sound, what the warhead is designed to do.

Really think this through please. Because most people here in Lemmy thought the rocket that hit the hospital (which ended up actually being the parking lot) and killed those 900 people (which actually ended up being ~300) was a US JDAM.

You actually believe that a low yield... Maybe 20lb NEW warhead designed for shrapnel dispersal fired at the sky and then malfunctioning and falling back to the ground... Would have the same devastation, velocity, and angle of attack as a missile people reasonably, but still mistakeningly thought was a 500lb NEW Air to Surface JDAM.

You could literally just use your own eyes and go look for videos of what it looks like for the tamir to explode in the air and compare that to the massive incendiary fireball that came from the HAMAS rocket and you would immediately know how insane that theory is.

And then I hope you walk away from that with just a little bit of skepticism and shame because you are guzzling the Kool aid bud.

Hey bud, neither do you... But go ahead and let your bias drive that confirmation. What I see is an insanely precise strike and a bunch of terrorist apologists who will never be happy no matter how insanely precise the IDF conducts it's operations.

Man, looks like they got the guy they were targeting and none of the civilians... This is way cleaner than when HAMAS dropped a bomb on a Palestinian hospital... they ended up killing hundreds of Palestinians...

It's like you guys are just learning that war is terrible...

People die in wars. Combatants, non-combatants, men, women, children, bystanders, supporters, journalists, doctors, criminals, religious people, atheists.

We don't want war... It's bad.

So if you don't want war, you should conduct massive brutal attacks on civilian populations... Because that's how you get war.

HAMAS did this... They hold their own women and children at gun point inside of buildings they know Israel is about to strike to maximize the propaganda value out of the strike. The Arab nations refuse to allow Palestinian refugees to enter their countries in order to get them out of the conflict areas. Iran has purposefully financed HAMAS in order to allow it to disrupt the Palestinian Government and prevent any real opportunities for real sustainable peace. HAMAS build hospitals and schools with Iranian money... not to provide for the Palestinian people but to ensure they can wrap themselves in human body armor as they build caches and facilitation networks which is 100% in violation of international law and is not just criminal but utterly despicable.

Meanwhile these groups and countries have never been shy at announcing that their only stated goal is the genocidal ethnic cleansing of Israelis and the destruction of the state of Israel.

Who would have thought that all those years ago when Jordan and Egypt decided to take military action against a displaced refugee encampment all of those years ago that we would be at this point.

Or when they did it the second time..

Or the third time...

It's unreal that Egypt and Jordan just abandoned their own people in Israel and refuse to allow them to return to the nations they were originally citizens.

It's like you guys are just learning that war is terrible...

People die in wars. Combatants, non-combatants, men, women, children, bystanders, supporters, journalists, doctors, criminals, religious people, atheists.

We don't want war... It's bad.

So if you don't want war, you should conduct massive brutal attacks on civilian populations... Because that's how you get war.

HAMAS did this... They hold their own women and children at gun point inside of buildings they know Israel is about to strike to maximize the propaganda value out of the strike. The Arab nations refuse to allow Palestinian refugees to enter their countries in order to get them out of the conflict areas. Iran has purposefully financed HAMAS in order to allow it to disrupt the Palestinian Government and prevent any real opportunities for real sustainable peace. HAMAS build hospitals and schools with Iranian money... not to provide for the Palestinian people but to ensure they can wrap themselves in human body armor as they build caches and facilitation networks which is 100% in violation of international law and is not just criminal but utterly despicable.

Meanwhile these groups and countries have never been shy at announcing that their only stated goal is the genocidal ethnic cleansing of Israelis and the destruction of the state of Israel.

Who would have thought that all those years ago when Jordan and Egypt decided to take military action against a displaced refugee encampment all of those years ago that we would be at this point.

Or when they did it the second time..

Or the third time...

It's unreal that Egypt and Jordan just abandoned their own people in Israel and refuse to allow them to return to the nations they were originally citizens.

If you think Israel is randomly bombing buildings you haven't been paying attention.

What exactly is your point then? You think that HAMAS should be allowed to get away with their crimes because by fighting them it would create a second wave?

I'm sorry but not good enough. HAMAS teaches Palestinian children that their greatest achievements in life is to sacrifice themselves in the great jihad. They wrap children in suicide vests and march them around on TV.

Destroying HAMAS is protecting Palestinians. Collateral loss of life is a tragic cost of war... But the mission here is clear.. destroy HAMAS, do not let them flee to their rat holes. HAMAS will always attempt to maximize civilian casualties. When will they release the hostages they are holding? These aren't prisoners of war... They are civilians, non combatants... Why don't we just start with HAMAS releases the innocent people they have taken hostage?

How did ISIS seize it in 2014 if it was all destroyed?

And why are people still dying when they walk anywhere near it?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html

True it's not in production but no one is destroying the chemical weapons stored there, frankly it's because they are so incredibly dangerous and in poor condition that they cannot be safely handled. The weapons are still there though, all of the various nerve and blister agents and all of their precursory materials.

It's bizarre you are so smart but don't really know what you are talking about. I know it's incredibly difficult to find truth in our media right now (and frankly it doesn't even matter what political persuasion you subscribe to... They are all full of shit). But still you are buying the narrative hard.

But you should at least take account of first hand knowledge. I was boots on ground in Iraq through the most violent and dangerous times. No we shouldn't have been there, but it's not like the lies about WMDs were farfetched... Saddam had stockpiles of chemical weapons and had already produced proven warheads to deliver chemical weapons on various platforms including their infamous SCUD platform.