Neon 🏳️‍🌈🇺🇦🇪🇺🏳️‍⚧️🇹🇼🇮🇱🏳️‍🌈 @ Neon @lemmy.world

Swiss Pan-European Nationalist

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Where did I say that I'm anti-Foss? Please show me the exact location.

Please explain to me how I'm anti-Foss when I'm practically only using Foss projects and donating to them.

Im sorry, I didn't realize I wasn't allowed to use and enjoy Foss projects anymore

Anything else you wanna gatekeep?

This Post and the Comments here are a prime example why i will never opensource any of my Projects.

Too many people here that feel like the Developers owe them something.

Yes i did. Reported a Bug relating to the workspace switcher and a bugfix got merged withing 24 hours.

Ironically it's this Behaviour shown here that will prevent me from ever opensourcing my personal Projects and thus becoming a FOSS-Contributor.

So no, I am not. And it is in large Parts thanks to you.

how about you stop being an entitled brat?

this isn't for production.

This is so they can test the AI with human Pilots as backups if anything goes wrong. They will then probably move on to tests without Humans in them.

then NATO countries in Europe did not spend enough on their military to meet that said threat. Europeans spent below the NATO mandate of 2.0% of their GDP. They didn’t seem scared then.

Ah yes, that is a common Misconception if you're not European. It is very easy to lump Europeans together in one Pot. Often people just look at the Actions of France, Germany and Italy to determine "European" behavior, when the EU is actually a hugely diverse pool of 27 autonomous Nations. Yes, Western European Nations such as Germany, Italy, Belgium etc (but notably not France) did spend a lot less than the 2% target. These Nations were famously also cozying up to Russia (Nordstream), not seeing it as a Threat. However, if you look at the eastern European Nations that were occupied by and/or border on Russia, the same Nations that joined NATO because of the Threat of Russia, all of these Nations do either match or exceed the NATO-target of 2% of GDP. Poland, in Fact, spends more on its Military than even the US (in %, not total)

NATO countries do not have an independent foreign policy.

Biden wants a tougher Stance on China while Scholz (Germany) wants to maintain good Business Relations Biden wants a clear Stance on Taiwan while Macron (France) openly disagrees and warns not to flame tensions (and openly calls Bidens Actions unwise and dangerous)

As you can see, European Countries do have and do Excercise independent foreign Diplomacy.

Many Europeans denounced the US's war on Vietnam. Many Europeans decided not to join the Iraqi War. All prime examples of sovereign foreign Diplomacy.

It is not in European interest to bring about sanctions that weaken their own countries and bring instability.

which is why we're enacting Sanctions instead of enacting a full Embargo. Which is why we capped the Price of Russian Gas instead of banning it outright.

Do you know what weakens our countries and brings instability? A fascist country waging a war of aggression in our own backyard. Russian Spies spying on and planning attacks on military bases. Russian Misinformation.

Those Sanctions are an investment into a Future, into a Europe where the Rule of Law and Peace reside. Where there's no fascist war of aggression over imperial ambition. Where we Europeans can peacefully coexist and build a peaceful future over wounds of old. Together.

You are speculating and have no evidence to back up your claims that European countries joined NATO because of “fear”.

I am going to have to ask you to remain nice and not make any accusations since i am sacrificing my time and engaging with you in good faith instead of just down-voting you. I could do other Stuff in this Time, but i specifically chose to discuss this with you since you seemed to argue in good faith as well. I am asking you for it to remain this way.

Did you ever talk to someone from this Region who was for enlargement? Because they will tell you very clearly how Russia is a danger to their Nation and livelihood and how this was the main driver on why they joined NATO (and joined it this quickly). Anyways, just for you, i asked my Estonian friend why they joined NATO and he said "did you see what Russia is doing in Ukraine?" (Translation by me) (I think he's mad at me for even asking this? I think i should apologize and explain it to him?)

Hatred of communism and hatred of Russia is one thing, but fear isn’t one of them.

I am sorry, i am not sure how to say this nicely, but that is just wrong. the EU and its Members engaged in multiple contracts with Russia over the years and was always looking for Cooperation. There was no hatred. There is, however, a lot of fear. Which is the reason why most nations once occupied by Russia are today Europes biggest Spenders on military.

And russia to day isn't communist anymore, it's closest to fascist in government and ideology.

The US provides security for NATO, Europeans saved their money to invest in their economy.

Western Europe did that (again, the exception being France). Eastern Europe has always maintained their Spending, and, as i already said, Poland even outspends the US (in %, not total)

It is the US that keeps NATO together, therefore, NATO unified,

Let me show you my Point of View: A while back, i think during the Trump Presidency, Macron(France) called NATO brain-dead and useless. A while it seemed like NATO was in an existential crisis and might not survive the decade. But ever since Russia invaded Ukraine, no one has said anything bad against NATO anymore.

It wasn't the US, that held/put together NATO, it was Putin. Because his invasion destroyed European Peace and showed us again, why we (well, i am Swiss, so not me personally) had NATO in the first place.

We had a name for the Post-WW2 Peace. Pax Europaea (named after the roman Pax Romana). It was Russia, that destroyed this Peace. This is the Reason why we're afraid of Russia. Why we're against Russia. Why we invent new Sanctions. So that one Day we can create a new Pax Europaea, that will last and not be broken. So that my Children can finally live in Peace on this War-Torn Continent.

Dang. Mine are named after ancient Gods, so my first Server was named Neptune too.

Welcome to the Club.

I am going to assume that you are writing here in good faith and as such i am going to respond to you in good faith.

This is why NATO was able to expand despite Russian objections throughout the decades

I disagree. From my european point of view, NATO was able to expand exactly because Russia was still a threat. There's a Reason why these Countries wanted to join NATO. Because they knew that russia was still a threat and would invade its Neighbours, like it is doing right now in Ukraine.

Ukraine is not an interest to the US; that is to say, there isn’t anything in Ukraine that the US needs that is vital to either economic or national security. Ukraine is a national security concern for Russia. It doesn’t matter what happens to Ukraine, it does not affect the US, but it would affect Russia. The Russians are checking American influence in their own region. NATO is how the US has influence in Europe. European states in NATO have no independent foreign policy. In fact, it is subservient to US foreign policy. The Russo-Ukrainian conflict, the sanctions, the war, the economic decline, that is the price of being in NATO following US foreign policy.

This Part confuses me a bit. In the first Part you say that Russia has a right to invade and puppet Ukraine because it is a national security interest. But in the second Part, you say that the US wouldn't have the right to dictate the foreign policy (it doesn't, i will come to this later on) of its NATO-Counterparts. I Personally think that your first half is the wrong half. We have to stop looking at the world as pawns in a cold war to be played, but instead as independent parties looking to coexist. I don't think any country has the right to dictate over another because of "national security concerns". Otherwise the US would have the Right to dictate over Europe because they're in the USs national security concerns. And the US would have never been allowed to declare independence, because that would have gone against the national security concerns of the british empire. So no, i don't think that any supposed "national security concerns" of Russia validate any military Action. Besides i don't even think they had any valid national security concerns. NATO Bases stayed in the West, the "original" Parts of NATO and never got into the new eastern territorries. And the NATO memeber states in the Baltics are much much closer to St. Petersburg or moscow than Ukraine. So Ukraine really isn't that important to Russia. Also Ukraine was never under the Influence of the US. Ukraine wanted to move to the EU, a completely european Institution where the US doesn't even have an observer Position.

now about the NATO Part:

1. The Part about the US dictating Foreign Policy: That is really not true. Look for example at the interactions between Macron (the French President) and the US Presidents. They are constantly bickering about foreign policy. Macron is heavily influential in steering European foreign-policy, more than any US-President.
2. The Part about Europe being forced into Sanctions: That also is not true. A lot of the Sanctions come from the EU, a purely european Institution where the US doesn't even hold ab observatory role. It was us, the Europeans (yes, I am european, i am from Switzerland), who were so shocked about the first War since WW2 (we ignore the breakup of Yugoslavia, that is more complicated and resembles a civil war) that we demanded sanctions and reprisals against Russia. It was us, the Europeans, who forced the US to join Sanctions against Russia, not the other way round.

I hope i was able to give you some insight into this matter from a european (swiss) perspective and i was able to disprove some of your previously held notions. I hope you can use what i wrote here :)

Saudi Arabia?

What do we call Tankies that defend Anti-Israeli Nations?

Democrats condemn it as emblematic of the kind of people Republican politicians are.

I would actually already be happy if it was just that. But not even that BS is enough for some People here. Look at the Top Comments. They're implicating all Republican Voters in this. This Team-Mentality is going to destroy the US

This was something that brought the Democrats and Republicans together, in that both sides thought killing a healthy puppy and bragging about it was insane.

I wish this was true. But look at the top comments here. They're all going "republicans are lying, they're secretly being turned on by killing puppies, they're just condemning it for show. They actually ritually sacrifice one each week in their pact with the Devil"

yeah, but if you are like me (4k TV for a Monitor, looking to upgrade to a Beamer) it can actually make sense.

If MacOS wasn't giving me endless headaches i would probably actually buy one just for that.

Price. The AVP can be multiple monitors in one.

look at the top 5 upvoted comments. Only one of them talks about the Article. All the other essentially just say "Republicans bad"

Everyone always complains about polarization and division, but noone actually wants to cooperate.

Neptun for the Hardware running Proxmox

Docker-Server-1 and so on for the VMs

quite honestly:

any type of work which requires multiple Monitors.

Unless you're doing graphical work where you need absolute high-end monitors (that cost multiple times the AVP), the Display of the AVP is probably good enough.

And Virtual Desktop Software is slowly getting better.

Before i went into this comment section, i thought that just republicans wanted to tear this country apart. Now i am disappointed to see that both sides aren't interested in cooperation.