Nahvi @ Nahvi @lemmy.world

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Teaching kids to avoid violent and hurtful people is reasonable, but claiming the entire right side of the spectrum is equivalent to them is prejudicial bigotry. Teaching kids to do the same is teaching them the same prejudicial bigotry.

I wouldn’t befriend anyone who supports removing my rights

When you redefine a spectrum of beliefs as "removing my rights" then what you are removing is any ability to continue discourse. Without discourse there is no democracy. At best you end up with the tyranny of majority.

I did not say that I had never met a racist or someone who supports bigoted policies, just that I had never met anyone that would admit to being a nazi. The difference being most nazis know they should keep their extremist views hidden.

I have met plenty or racists. For most of them it is subtle and they don't recognize it for what it is. I have never heard any of them advocate for killing everyone on the other side of the political spectrum or eating humans.

remove rights from people for who they are

This is vague and politically loaded. I have definitely met TERFs, pro-lifers, and those that advocate against gender treatments for children, but that is not at all the same as advocating mass murder and cannibalism for those that disagree with their views.

I don't know anything about the group behind those protests. I was vaguely curious about it when I clicked this post but made the mistake of reading the most upvoted comment in this thread.

In my mind there is a pretty big difference between what the article says is the groups stated viewpoint:

“Our primary concern is indoctrination of children in public schools,” the group says on its website. “This movement is mainly focused on protection of children against LGBTQIA+ ideology in school system and not to fight back against the LGBTQ community.”

and these excerpts from OCs own comment and history:

Teach your children why it is inappropriate to make friends with, keep relationships with or do business with conservatives.

or

Conservatism is the biggest threat to humanity on planet earth. All means to extinguish an infestation are justified.

and

Not everyone is willing to do what’s necessary to cure the disease. I am willing. If that makes me a monster, then I am the monster they themselves created.

SC lead with a false dichotomy and then when I gave them a genuine opinion anyways responded with "idgaf what you think". At which point did you think I should have spent more time giving in-depth answers?

I don't mind answering a question if you have one and are engaging in good faith. If however you lead with bad faith arguments, then twist and dismiss my opinions, I will have to apologize in advance because in that case I won't spend much time on the responses either.

Was there something they asked that you wanted to know the answer to?

You are arguing on behalf of bigots in bad faith. I have better ways to waste a Sunday evening.

Well at least we can both agree that one of us is arguing on behalf of bigots and in bad faith.

Hope you enjoy the rest of the weekend.

If we are going to have a conversation can we at least try to have a little intellectual integrity?

You wanted to accuse me of having weird definitions of words. I copied the very first link from a web-search regarding those words to confirm my statements, but I am the one playing semantics games and cherry-picking?

How about you respond to the actual stances laid out since we got all our definitions in order. Or would you rather continue to throw bright colored fish across the room instead?

Bigotry can be towards political stances other than your own, and OC was engaging in it. Agree or Disagree, if not then why?

Advocating for mass eradication of a group of people with shared ethnic, religious, and cultural values is abhorrent and could be called genocide. Agree or Disagree, if not then why?

There are plenty of conservative atheists

I have no doubt that there are some conservative atheists, but let's not pretend that they represent anything other than an extreme minority of self-identified conservatives.

Don’t try to co-opt religion just to pretend that your political views are a culture.

I will let Wikipedia do the talking here.

Conservatism is a cultural, social, and political philosophy that seeks to promote and to preserve traditional institutions, customs, and values.

the portion you bolded.

The bolded portion was the portion relevant to the conversation, and relevant to Lemmy in general. Even if what you are saying was true and that was all I cared about, it wouldn't mean OC wasn't being bigoted.

I’m glad lemmy is hostile to bigots.

If Lemmy was hostile to all bigots instead of just conservative bigots, someone else would have called out OC as a bigot. After picking my jaw up off the floor, I would have upvoted then moved on.

Stop talking to me.

Cute. You involved yourself in my dialogue, not the other way around. You could have stopped responding at any point.

It is hard being presented with logical reason that disagrees with our emotional beliefs. Look up cognitive dissonance. It might help you reconcile the pain.

If we are going to say that most conservatives are white protestants then yes it sounds like a fair term to use.

Though even if we decide it is the wrong term, calling for the eradication of large parts of the population based on religious, cultural and a political affiliation is still abhorrent.

Guilty as charged or at least close enough.

Like most centrists, many of my views are not really in the center but I think it is necessary in a democracy to find a middle ground between the extremes.

I hate anyone who promotes genocide.

Then we should be on similar sides of this argument.

Does it really needed to be pointed out that Conservatism in the West is based on religious and cultural characteristics? Or are we just going to pretend that most Western conservatives aren't Protestants?

your definition of “bigotry” is selective enough that you only consider people to be bigots if they don’t like bigots

How odd, that doesn't sound anything like what I posted earlier. Not something I wrote mind you, just the first thing that came up when I web-searched "bigot". It is almost like you are making up a fake argument, that is easy to defeat, and then pretending I said something like it. If only there was a name for that sort of thing. S..st...straw.... I will give you hint, it isn't strawberry.

Here is the exact quote I posted earlier:

bigot - bĭg′ət - noun - One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

If you are getting something significantly different than that when you look up bigot, you might try using something other than Google; it has a tendency to reinforce one's own biases.

There is a far cry between tolerance without limit and hating anyone that doesn't agree with you. I can give you a hint as to which side you have been arguing for in case you got confused along the way.

Now for your turn. Do you hate leftists that shame your stance by promoting genocide?

I learned at a young age that hating someone is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die.

I feel the same disdain towards someone who would suggest we eradicate people because of their skin color or ethnic background as I do towards someone that would suggest that we eradicate people because of their political views.

The difference being, I have never encountered anyone in real life or on Lemmy who would openly admit to being a nazi, whereas I have never spent an hour on Lemmy without seeing someone who thinks its okay to unironically say, "kill conservatives" or "eat rich people" receive overwhelming positive votes.

Nice false dichotomy.

I am someone that believes that for a democracy or republic to function that sometimes we have to sit down with people that we rather punch than talk to and find the few things we both agree on.

It is bad enough to marginalize small groups, but any political view that is advocating marginalizing half of society is the real enemy and should be fought against by all free people.

You don't teach children to recognize hate by pointing at everyone right of middle and saying, those are bad people. That is how you teach hate itself.

When you name yourself @Burn_The_Right, you make it clear whether you are targeting a specific group or everyone in a certain political direction.

When you make statements like:

Biden is a neo-liberal. Neo-liberals are conservatives. They are better dressed and more intelligent, but they are conservatives by all international measures.

Or dismiss 40-year democrats as conservatives:

Who are you calling “we”? A quick check of your comment history shows you are a conservative.

You make it clear whether you mean a single group or everyone who doesn't share your brand of liberalism.

Combined with:

Conservatism is the biggest threat to humanity on planet earth. All means to extinguish an infestation are justified.

or this gem: Edit: fixed broken link.

Not everyone is willing to do what’s necessary to cure the disease. I am willing. If that makes me a monster, then I am the monster they themselves created.

Conservatism is a plague of oppression and death.

You can pretend that you are not an intolerant bigot advocating for mass-murder, but your own words betray you.

Reading through the constant fountain of hate that you spew in your comments makes it clear just how big of a problem Lemmy has right now. The vast majority of you comments are pushing for at least two-thirds of society to be "extinguished".

I have seen whole instances defederated for having a user say less violent and bigoted things than your comments do.

Is this the centrist part, where some violence is ok?

Marginalize hate by becoming hate.

Teaching children to hate, especially dogmatic hate, is disgusting even when one's stance is morally correct. If a stance is just, then by teaching children ethics and critical thinking they will come to the correct conclusion on their own. When one uses the exact same playbook as the worst parts of the group they hate, they become the worst part of the group they represent.

Since some people don't seem to realize what a bigot actually is:

bigot - bĭg′ət - noun - One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

Edit: Phrasing, mostly replacing the word "you" with generic pronouns.

clothes are ARBITRARY

Total nonsense. Appearance is the true first impression we have of someone. This is a fundamental and common trait throughout mankind. We may not like how much emphasis is placed on personal appearance, but it doesn't change the reality.

This is just the first thing that popped up when I searched "appearance is the first impression" this is not a novel concept and definitely has some (if not definitive) research behind it. https://www.science20.com/news_articles/appearance_says_lot_when_making_first_impressions

I had never heard of Fetterman before I heard that Chuck Schumer changed the Senate rules for him. The first headline I saw said something like, "relaxes the senate dress code." I was like... why is this news and moved on. Then I saw post here with a picture attached and was like... wait what? At that point I stopped to look into the issue.

If Fetterman had looked presentable but not in a suit, I would have assumed this was more R v D drama to distract from important issues. That wasn't the case. He looked ridiculous.

If I saw someone dressed like this checking their mailbox on a Saturday morning, I would smirk to myself in acknowledgement that I had worn similar stuff to do the same. If, however, I walked into a law firm because I needed serious professional help, and this guy introduced himself as the person I was looking for, then I would either ask if it was his day off or thank him for his time and leave immediately. Someone who cannot be trusted to manage their own personal appearance, also cannot be trusted to manage a serious professional issue for me.

If he is just incapable of telling the difference between looking like a slob and a professional then he needs to have a spouse or a staff member help him out each day. Nothing wrong with someone knowing their limits and focusing on what they are good at.

Do you mean a clear racial bias in getting elected? Or do you mean that having the wrong skin color or genitals somehow makes you more or less capable of making good decisions?

While I'm not much of a fan of the word token, it makes a certain amount of sense to apply in her position.

She isn't a token because of her own strengths, weaknesses, or job performance. She is a token because Biden decided that the two most important qualifications for the job were Black and Woman, any other quality was less important to him than those two.