Nachorella @ Nachorella @lemmy.sdf.org

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The entire industry is built on suffering. It's bad for the animals, the workers, the climate, your health.

I get a lot of downvotes for being vegan (and I'm usually being a prick about it, so - fair) but surely even the meat eaters must recognise that animal ag needs to scale way down to be at all sustainable. At the very least we need to stop subsidising it so it's cheaper than alternatives.

Exactly what I was thinking.

That's not what I was trying to say. I was specifically referring to you talking about how animals treat each other.

I don't want anyone to suffer which is why I have mixed feelings about this.

edit: actually go fuck yourself, I don't care, you've continuously put words in my mouth and obviously don't care about having a reasonable conversation.

I literally don't even know what you're trying to say, I haven't cast any judgements or told anyone to do anything. Get off your soapbox.

I don't care how they treat each other, we should hold ourselves to a higher standard. And I'm not labelling anyone here, I just said I had mixed feelings about it.

They might get better treatment in these cases but I don't think it would be different. I'm vegan if that helps understand my point of view.

I have mixed feelings on this. On the one hand that's pretty interesting and like, hurray for saving lives. But on the other hand it seems kind of incredibly messed up to raise animals as sacrificial organ sacks.

I feel like one of the few people who actually think it looks cool. I'd never want one of course but they look cool.

Yeah, just an off topic rhetorical jab, but I appreciate your answer. I guess it just bothers me when politicians hand wave about free markets when it's obvious they have the power to make these sorts of changes. I wasn't talking about Biden specifically either, I'm not even American.

Why can't they regulate capitalism when it comes to important shit.

I kinda get where you're coming from. I believe in personal responsibility and try to limit my own impact (no car, vegan) and just in my own life it's frustrating talking to people who turn around and say 'but corporations'.

But I still think holding them accountable would be helpful, it might force people to finally address these issues, money could go toward pedestrian infrastructure and subsidies for vegan businesses and foods. In a lot of cases it's not as simple as people choosing, corporations have helped create a world where, for a lot of people, there is no choice.

I'm curious what your point is. I am not trying to be rude, just not sure what you're getting at. Do you think there's no solution so we just ride the whole mess out?

The US instead decided to let them keep doing whatever they wanted.

That part I understand, no more formaldehyde and brains in the milk. It's more the industry fighting against the term being used for alternative milks which should have their own standards associated with them. Coconut milk and cream have existed for ages and nobody cares. But my (dairy farmer) family all of a sudden have really strong opinions on using the term milk for alternative milks. Or other generic terms being used for vegan products like mince, sausage, burger, steak. All of these things typically have a word in front to describe what they're made of, but for some reason certain people get real worked up when that word is 'vegetable'.

Stuff like this is so silly. I understand having rules around how things are named, nobody wants to be misled about what they're buying. But were cow juice enthusiasts really getting tricked into buying soy juice? Do we have to specify the animal? Can I sell rat milk as 'milk' and they'd be ok? What's the difference between that and oat milk? So long as the origin of the milk is clear I really don't see the issue.

Obviously I know it's just dairy industry deep pockets doing what they can to remain #1 but it's just so silly.

I feel like this when I go to see my doctor and we exchange pleasantries on the way to their room.

"How are you today?" "Yeah, good" "So what can I help you with?" "crippling depression" "oh"

Lena Cena is pretty funny but these people sound insufferable.

The animal ag industry is so heavily subsidised that I'm not sure this could work.

I might buy one a month, let us have our treats lol

If he could just stop eating approximately 17 avocado toasts an hour 24 hours a day this wouldn't be a problem.