Look, I enjoy uncertainty, too. I'm a silly little teacup orbiting Jupiter agnostic joker. But there are times when you can predict with a fair degree of certainty what's going to happen. If you were being completely honest with yourself you would admit that enough people going vegan would probably have a noticeable effect on the animal agriculture industry. And yes, admittedly neither of us know if that's true or not. But either way I'm not going to give that industry my money because I'm pretty sure they're just going to use it to keep killing animals.
I'm not judging what you do, but be honest with yourself, the money you give them is probably going to go toward killing more animals. Maybe they'll change their mind and all decide to stop tomorrow, but until then I will keep trying to disincentivise them the way I'm most certain will work.
And if you do actually care about the treatment of animals please reconsider whether or not you have an impact.
I just quantified it, why would you say I didn't? Everytime I wanted a hamburder I supplied one to myself. There were no degrees of wanting at all, I either did or didn't.
And this isn't storytelling, this is literally what happened. You're the one trying to muddy the waters.
Do you really need this one spelt out? Sales declined and then production followed. The goal of the business was to make money so when their product stopped making money they stopped producing it.
What would you do in the same situation? The logic seems incredibly cut and dry and you keep insisting I need to give you proof, but I'd like to see evidence of the opposite happening to be honest.
o yeah, I forgot, the animal ag industry would still inexplicably exist even if no one bought its products. I guess you can just continue consuming them guilt free since it was gonna happen anyway.
If anyone genuinely enjoys this you can check my comments for a very spicy way too long argument we're both way too involved in. TRIGGER WARNING: I am a vegan and it is about that, but also not really?
Also no more vegan arguments for me tonight, let's just keep the argument about that one guys mum.
What are you even on about? You tried to deny shared responsibility, I explained the concept. Shared responsibility applies to this discussion. It's a metaphor, if I used the housing market to explain the concept it would have been just as valid and applicable.
No.