Oh yeah I was also running gnome with alot of plugins after a fedora update, boom tracker3 does not wanna work anymore, kde(fedora and cachyos) it's in the desktop no relying on 3rd party plugins and cinnamon I can agree with you, I think of cinnamon gnome done right,with a windows 10 like ui.
The only desktop that has a clipboard feature(superkey + v) I love, most of the desktop I see don't have it and the clipboard show up as a system tray app.
Agree