MushuChupacabra @ MushuChupacabra @lemmy.world

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They also took meticulous notes regardless (they're German after all), which helped the Nuremberg prosecutors.

It'd be smart to do the modern day equivalent, and scrape all the data possible.

With diligent data collection, an intrepid ICE agent would be able to escape mostly unscathed, if they were able to provide evidence to convict enough high value targets within ICE.

Interesting thought but I can't see it.

You're an average guy, unemployed, and take a position with ICE. You see with your own eyes that there is near zero good going on. You see very bad things, and recognize that there is no way for this apparatus to go away quietly, given the lengths that they've gone through to keep outside eyes away from their concentration camps.

You feel imminent collapse.

Do you keep working like nothing is happening, or do you start thinking about how to avoid persecution?

Do you think their spouses, children, parents, neighbors know what they do? Do they just say "it's classified" and pretend that they have a real job?

There are no people who work for ICE with zero outsiders knowing what they do.

I don’t think they’re that introspective. Pretty sure they all think “this is so anteefuh can’t find out who I am and kidnap muh kids”. Action hero delusions

Most will be too stupid, and will be the ones using I Was Just Following Orders as their defense.

Presents lists, gets arrested anyways.How do you think this will play out? They’re either going to get caught with it, or it’s useless when the regime collapses as they’ll likely be mostly dead anyways. It’s useless as long as the regime remains, and keeping it is a time bomb waiting to go off, and not just for you, you’re a risking your family and friends too.

This message has been brought to you but Team Learned Helplessness.

When the regime falls, maybe do everyone a solid and stay the fuck out of the way.

Personally I can't picture an ICE agent that is anticipating a regime change within their lifetime, but I could be wrong.

There is a very specific reason that ICE agents and other collaborators strive to hide their identities.

They would not feel the need to do so if they believed, deep down where it counts, that they were on the right side of history, and that the regime will last indefinitely.

As in nope thinking the regime is going to fall is just copium hopium

Refresh my memory. How long were they boasting that the Third Reich would last?

Where are people getting this idea that there will ever be any type of trails for this? I've even seen some talking about the Hague, which is particularly laughable because the US has an invasion policy specifically regarding the Hague, predating Trump.

I'd absolutely count on your attitude to be pervasive while I was collecting my cover-your-ass dirt on my co workers.

Their sense of invincibility would be vital for me throwing them under the bus.

Were there Nazis who did this?

No. They all stayed super duper loyal to each other when the heat was on.

If i was one of the smarter ICE agents, I'd absolutely promote the helplessness you're selling.

That way, the other agents are more likely to have their guards down while I compiled evidence.

Nope.

As in nope, none of them are smart enough, or nope, they place loyalty to each other over self-interest?

Lock his dumbass in one of those chambers overnight

Have two uniformed goons fast walk him to one of those chambers.

Watch the denialist completely lose his denialism, and fight for his life.

So the whole world is suffering, because he wilfully ignored every indicator that Trump would absolutely behave this way.

With any luck, someone who matters to him will be scooped by ICE. That way, he can also experience the intense fear and anxiety that comes from voting enthusiastically for tyranny.

I'd be so mindful of how i spoke, if I had a Backpfeifengesicht like him.

Ghislaine Maxwel is scum.

But if I was her, I'd sing like a songbird for any reasonable plea bargaining.

You're like the caveman who thought they saw eyes in the bushes only for there to be a clearing behind it.Stay on high-alert all the time. I'm sure it will do you good.

Translation:

You're not engaging with my whataboutism on my terms. Whaaaaaaaaaaa!!

Brudda, it's a geniune question. The article talks about physical products.

It wasn't only tactical whataboutism, it was literal verbatim whataboutism.

That is the very specific method to get me to dismiss you.

I'm wondering how it going on other fronts i.e the non-physical.

No, you're not. You're attempting to undermine the central message of the story.

A real answer would be appreciated instead "I'm on high alert and will interpret any answer I see as malevolence".

Something that you could have looked up. But oh no, you had to deliver a whataboutism turd of a comment.

You're fooling absolutely no one.

Brudda.

Papers? Do you have papers?

So that's why the response has been fucking incompetent.

There is no asylum or refuge from your own wilful ignorance.