Munrock ☭ @ Munrock @lemmygrad.ml

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I think it would be better to compare the Chinese government statement to the Vietnam (and other AES nation) government statement(s) (or lack of), and compare comments from the Vietnamese public to comments from the Chinese public. You'll find no shortage of hatred for Kissinger where words aren't curated by statesmanship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRQp2LsWwTA

David Rovics was quick with this new song: 'Without Henry Kissinger'

Imagination can be wonderous, and it can drive you mad

Thinking about the world we coulda had

Yeah I guess I'm venting too.

This is one of the few anglophone communities on the internet where I usually can get a break from China bashing. Especially the damned-if-they-do, damned-if-they-don't kind of bashing. And the 'CPC is an uncaring monolith' interpretations of the MFA's excessively formal (to us) public decorum.

You say that reads as abandoning internationalist solidarity when China is hard carrying the internationalist work of dismantling Kissinger's legacy; the unipolar US hegemony that he spent his life building with other people's blood.

It's literally China telling the US what a wonderful sandcastle artist Kissinger was (and low key saying that the current US artists are not on Kissinger's level), while kicking over the sandcastles he built. And people are taking umbrage at the praise.

Criticize the PRC leadership because we don't live in a just world?

Or... criticize the PRC leadership for being responsible with the consequences of their words?

Christ the comments here are exactly like the thread about China officially supporting a two-state solution.

"I understand the material reasons why China said what it said but I'm still gonna criticize them for not saying something far more immediately gratifying, even though I understand how it would completely undermine everything they're working to achieve."

You're all smarter than this. You all know who benefits most if China drops the ball to have a little gloat. Their words are lamenting Kissinger's passing, but their actions are continuing to destroy his legacy.

but but but if you just let them get houses, they won't try to better themselves, and they might complain or say no when I try to exploit them harder, and they might even refuse to scab for me when the union strikes!

Also, some of the comments in this thread are more than a little irritating. And extremely myopic.

What do people want China to do? Every word that comes out of the Chinese MFA has to be considered in the context of the wider struggle. We're all winning the wider struggle, in large part because they know what they're fucking doing in Beijing - which includes actual material analysis on the consequences of their words and actions and implementing practical, effective policy instead of angry idealist ranting.

Paraphrasing, but: "I understand the material reasons why China says what it says, but I'm still disappointed that they didn't do the worst possible thing they could do instead because it superficially adheres to our principles" is infuriating to read. If you typed something like that, please think about why you typed it.

If one of the poles in our multipolar world pushes for a one state solution, Israel will go THERMONUCLEAR.

Also a one-state solution in the current conditions is going to mean whichever state remains will preside over rubble, and much of West Asia will also be rubble. And that region is a key part in the Belt and Road, which is a driving force in liberating Africa as well as bringing prosperity to the West Asia region.

The two-state option is a win for Palestine in the long run, and China acts with the long run in mind. If the current crisis ends with Gaza and the West Bank not blockaded, occupied nor controlled by Israel, it will become a competition of economies instead of a war of violence. Israel will have the declining fascist-impoverished Western World in its corner, while Palestine will have BRICS+ (or more likely BRCS+) and the Belt And Road in its corner.

All we need is a status quo where Israel can't bomb, bully and murder Palestinians on a whim anymore, and Palestine would leave Israel in the dust in terms of prosperity.

Exactly this. If the impetus doesn't come from within, the change won't last. Imposing change on another group will only ever make temporary change.

After building a wall around the US: fill it with water.

It's their idea. That is what they're doing. If HKers can't survive on their own for 5 years, they get sent back. In those 5 years they have to pay all the taxes like a citizen but get none of the welfare benefits or services available to actual citizens.

"And, per thee terms of their BN(O) visa, once they've spent all their savings surviving here, I can send them back whence they came where their welfare will not be my problem."

Source please? I need to share this with the kind of people who would break out in hives reading lemmygrad

For the longest time I used to think Churchill was a hero. Mostly from dad singing his praises: having a tory there to help shape your values as a kid can really fuck you up.

The evidence against him though is so overwhelming that he's a great case study of how much culture can distort reality. When you speak truth to well-intentioned liberals and they look at you like you're telling them the sky is green, telling them about Churchill is a great way to prove how extensive the lying can be.

The fact that anyone can still think the accusations about Xinjiang are real now that they're seeing what a real genocide looks like - and how hard it is to keep a lid on solid evidence from escaping in this modern era - is wild to me.

mfw Westerners complain about how Lake Changjin is obvious, in-your-face propaganda that can't be taken seriously, and can't see the same is true of every Western war movie ever.

Zero surprise.

If the West accuse China of doing something, you know they're doing it themselves somewhere.

Iiving in one of the most densely populated cities on Earth, it sounds quite spacious to me. Perspective is wild.

I always used athletics tracks as a frame of reference. On a 400m track, the saucer section sitting in the center would be longer than the straights, but wouldn't reach the ouside edges of the curves.