MolotovHalfEmpty [he/him] @ MolotovHalfEmpty @hexbear.net

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Same old ahistorical buzzword nonsense. Even if anyone took your false equivalence seriously, how do you explain the secret police and concentration camps of all those 'liberal' nations? Or do you only scream unsupported accusations of fascism at people you disagree with as a cheap tactic to try and silence them?

Your dismissal and slandering of one of the single biggest LGBTQ+ communities online as lying about who they are as some sort of elaborate ploy by right wing trolls is really, really fucking disgusting and we'd rightly ban you on Hexbear for it.

Where were you for three years whilst those users and mods advocated, educated, and unfortunately suffered abuse in the process (from people we thankfully and rightly purged) of building one of the most LGBTQ+ places on the internet? Or the mutual aid our communities have done to help LGBTQ+ members overcome houseless, or not have to skip meals, or when those users have helped trans comrades find get access to healthcare and the medicine they need while living in hostile places?

I don't doubt and I hope we continue to improve even further, and I don't claim these achievements as my own, but your assumption is gross and shouldn't be accepted - never mind left uncorrected.

pro fascism posts

This is just an outright lie. We're an explicitly anti-fascist instance, have the strictest rules against bigotry I've seen anywhere on the internet, and the following is one of the core tenants of our culture and code of conduct:

We do not platform fascists and refuse to engage in any form of debate with them on this platform.

But it's not like they invited Russia to invade.

That's not the the case in any war and I've given a (admittedly very simple, broad strokes) overview of some of the material conditions that led to the war, even just in Ukraine - particularly the predominantly Russian speaking separatist regions wanting security guarantees after 8 years of being shelled by the Ukrainian coup government and terror attacks by neo-nazi militias that they state either couldn't or wouldn't reign in.

I think their ideology is blinding them into creating such a narrative. Not saying the US doesn't meddle in other countries but this is really far fetched and just assumes that Russia is blameless

Hexbear doesn't have a single ideology. It's a left unity instance that had a broad range of anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist ideologies.

Nothing I've stated is far fetched, but all documented fact that a cursory reading of post-soviet history would support but if you like and are interested I can provide you some sources and reading?

No one on Hexbear thinks Russia is blameless. Views on Hexbear range from 'this war is a travesty' to 'this war is a tragedy that could have been avoided by taking dozens of different decisions over the last two decades'. Again, I can give you some further examples and reading if you're interested. But you claimed Hexbear users blamed Ukraine for the war and I said that "if there is a dominant view on Hexbear it's that the biggest responsibility for the conflict lies with the US" for contributing most to the material conditions that eventually made a conflict like this sadly inevitable. But that doesn't get Russia off the hook for also being a capitalist state also waging war and no one has stated that other countries don't have their own agendas.

Not 100% sure what this means but I'm guessing it's in regards to NATO.

Yes, NATO encirclement is part of it and was warned about by everyone from hawks like Henry Kissinger to former heads of NATO to Joe Biden himself before they went and did it anyway, but there's also other aspects like the stationing of nuclear weapons, construction of new military bases, as well as coups, proxy wars, and funding destabilising groups on Russia's borders.

There's plenty of implicit calls for violence on that sub, they dug for a specific example to use as an excuse because of their political stance, and that example was basically the equivalent of someone saying 'Eat The Rich' by a user with no power to do anything about it. I don't think anyone thinks actionable threats and comments like that are analogous, but even if they do, surely all promotion of violence is objectionable or none is.

You added that rationalization ten hours later and still compared us to Nazis.

Views on capital punishment vary across Hexbear, but in general I'd argue we're generally anti. The idea we're a pro-police brutality sub is absurd, given that ACAB and the police being the violent oppressive shock troops of capital are one of the the only views that's basically agreed upon across Hexbear.

You seem to be misrepresenting the fact that while most communists (and not all of our users are communists) dislike, but understand the sad necessity of some degree of state violence in order to protect itself from hostile forces like coups and terrorism. All states believe this, it's known as 'the monopoly on violence' but communists broadly want to achieve global revolution in order to move past the need for the destructive elements of the state (although I admit this is a pretty utopian, very long term goal). I'd be happy to send you some reading or video lectures on the subject if you'd like, but it sounds like you're not interested.

And just a note in case you do pop over to Hexbear in the future, the disengagement rule we have isn't a tool to send a long post and have the final word. But I'm also not interested in hounding you if you just want to move on. Hope you enjoy the rest of your day.

No problem. Hope to see you in the future!

I just went and checked. That rationale was based on one tongue in cheek 'execute the landlords' type comment in response to thr speculative housing market making Toronto unaffordable to live.

Why are you spamming the same comment (calling Hexbear users abusers, a gross and offensive comment to victims of abuse) again and again?

A lot of Hexbear users are well versed in political theory and philosophy and to some degree the instance serve as a big reading group (as well as fun, hobbies, and shitposting) so I can definitely see how that could be a bit intimidating to stumble into. But in general people are passionate about sharing information, books, articles etc so if you're unsure of anything just ask for an explanation and you'll find plenty of people eager to help.

I believe we were preemptively defederated from those instances, with a common rationale being that we weren't pro-NATO and them not sharing our politics in general.

As for the rules being new in response to federation, you seem to be complaining that we're doing exactly what you asked us to do above.

I suspect there's no behaviour or amount of effort you'd accept. If that's the case you should just say so.

Both sides in a war are responsible for bloodshed, but if there is a dominant view on Hexbear it's that the biggest responsibility for the conflict lies with the US who created the modern Russian state, strung it along, then encircled it and escalated against all advice, backed the 2014 coup and the far right militias that carried out an 8 year civil war, continue fuelling the war for profit, and have sabotaged any attempt at peace talks. There are plenty of posts and even an official statement making this clear.

This is at least a two way street. People from Hexbear have a right to defend themselves when you call them Nazis and compare them to ISIS like you have elsewhere in this thread.

It does, for the most part we do, and we a have specific, different set of rules for posting in other instances.

You're also elsewhere in this thread throwing unprompted insults around.

Can you explain what the difference is between 'brigading' and just users posting? How can a community that's been the or one of the most active for over 3 years when it wasn't federeated or connected with anyone, be a "spam instance"?

It was just a simple way to demonstrate to the people reading, that your concerns about Hexbear users acting in good faith were obviously nonsense, since the tone of all your posts have been... well... exactly like the one you just made.

I haven't seen hexbear ever participate in good faith outside of this very thread.

You have a cool art comm here I've been posting in. I posted a pretty wild George Grosz painting you might like.

As for good faith commenting outside this thread, how about these...?

All the Chinese people in China who I totally really know in real life for sure. Those Chinese people in China that I totally really know all say they love love Xi. It's totally because they really really want to and not because dissent isn't allowed. They totally didn't start making grade schoolers go to several extra hours of school a day to learn to worship Xi 2 years ago btw. Also there is no air pollution in Beijing. Did I mention I totally know some Chinese people. You're all a bunch of sheltered white libs.....not like me. I mean yeah, I am a lib, only 15, white, and I do live in my parents basement.......but I know things, things that you don't. There's no way other people have any experience of the world so you have to believe, because I pretend......I mean DO, I do know some Chinese people in China and they are Chinese. They totally love their Chinese life in China where everyone has 120% literacy rate and reads 5 astrophysics books on their way to work in Beijing where there's no air pollution in China.

You sound just like every other idiot that says that. Trumpers, anti-vaxxers and the like. If you have to look around for yOur Own rEsEaRcH that lines up with what you want it to say, it's because it's not based in facts. You guys seem to honestly think you sound smart.......smh

They're running around spewing barely-sensical insults acting like they're dunking on people, but all their really doing is turning off anyone who was ever possibly sympathetic to their cause. And are completely un-informed on top of that

They're laughable.

Anyone with half a brain can see what's going on. I'm not playing these silly obfuscation games. You're bad at what you do.

No it's when there's mysteriously dozens of comments just magically showing up that are contrary to the vastly popular opinion on only one contentious issue, that serve the best interests of an entity with the time, resources to try to sway public opinion through fake grassroots posting. Also that entity has a fragile ego and a long history of online manipulation.......oh and also coincidentally they are all coming from the same server

Lots of suspicious comments in this thread. Seems like political astro-turfing has already arrived on Lemmy

Yes and yes.

It's a shame this thread has gotten so off topic in places. It's been cool reading and talking to lemm.ee users here (mostly). Despite lots of comments about Hexbear 'brigading' we're just a big instance with lots of very active users, plus we don't have downvotes (on Hexbear or here) so people tend to post instead of just downvoting if they disagree. While there's been some Hexbear posts that have been overly agressive for my taste I also understand it because there'sbeen a lot of pretty serious abuse (from a minority) aimed at Hexbear users in the thread which has gone almost completely unremarked upon, which is sad, and doesn't help make the thread an easy place for the majority of lemm.ee users to share their opinions.

Edit: Your art comm is cool

You came into the comment of one Hexbear meme, called everyone "Nazi Scum" and left.