What do you think the solution to selling progressive politics to young men is ?
MolochAlter @ MolochAlter @lemmy.world Posts 0Comments 378Joined 2 yr. ago
Given the fact that there is a massive backswing towards the right in most of the west, very much riding a wave against progressive politics, with the largest gender divide in viting demographics on record in the US, and a republican winning the popular vote for the first time since Bush's second term?
US Progressives need to worry about this, not everyone else. Everyone else is telling progressives to shove off.
"Progress" does not exist, only marxists think history is a linear path from bad to good, reality is a bit more complex. (a good answer to pretty much any of Marx's arguments, incidentally)
If you want your worldview to win, and your worldview is both against the ruling class, its supporters, and doing anything to onboard them? You're just not going to win. You're not going to win even if you were to execute a revolution because you just don't have any measurable support.
So, unless you just want to circlejerk about how right you are and accomplish nothing, you should look into how to get the people on your side, very much including the demographic that makes up most of the politicians.
I have a bit of a preconceived notion as to why you are saying this, however I would rather ask you to be more specific before jumping to conclusions. Can you give concrete examples as to how my suggestions would alienate women?
This is all from the perspective of a non-american from a country where thankfully we are still liberal at heart and only entertain some progressive ideas, instead of buying it wholesale, meaning the right has yet to completely cannibalise the government over the mistakes of the left.
- Move away from equity and return to equality of opportunity as the main goal. Equity demands lack of competition, and men love competition.
You can want everyone to receive equal opportunity and dignity, but people are not equal and will not end in the same place once the race is over. You can't demand equality of outcome and onboard the most competitive demographic, there is a reason if the stereotype of leftist men is passive wimps. This is completely compatible with prgressive ideas, but it's incompatible with progressive brains, apparently.
- Actually understand what intersectionality looks like, stop treating it like a hierarchy of oppression.
The core idea of intersectionality is that each demographic has its own issues and they manifest differently if more demographics overlap in the same individual (e.g. sexism against white women vs sexism against black women exhibit different tropes and connotations).
This does not mean whoever has the least minoritary traits is the most acceptable target, that is some marxist "oppressor vs oppressed" horseshit and, while it was probably the intended idea, it is massively counterproductive and doesn't have to be the actual application of the issue.
Men have issues that women don't have, women have issues that men don't have. As soon as your movement decides to prioritise one they have lost the other.
The reason this does not happen with race is that no movement in the US can realistically exist politically without white people simply by virtue of how huge the white slice of the demo pie is, and because this whole thing was started by highly educated, economically mobile, overwhelingly white, college grads who live in very specific coastal bubbles, hence the endemic hatred of farmers and factory workers, the actual working class of the US, as hicks and racists, and the lionisation of serving staff like baristas and waiters (the only working class most large city dwellers ever interact with).
- Move away from "patriarchy".
It's just a fucking L on its face isn't it? "Yes come join the party that thinks men being in power is the problem" fat fucking chance lol.
And when they do join, the parodies write themselves.
I don't care if you think it's "just a name" (especially in light of what progs consistently do over "just a name" and "just a statue" and so on) it's a massive optics L that shows all of the horseshit about microaggressions and non-confrontational language and whatnot are entirely performative.
You have the most obvious othering language in the core ideas of the movement and then complain about microaggressions? And you wonder why people don't take you seriously?
And while we're on that:
- Politeness is baseline, respect is earned. Confrontation is necessary and men are more likely to thrive in confrontational spaces.
You can't have a political movement that does not tolerate dissent and confrontation, or only tolerates it in one direction. See the implosion of the "Unfuck america tour" as a good example of this.
The whole point of politics is to create a critical mass of people who align on some goal to push for it, you don't have to agree with them on every point, if you had enough people who agree with you, you would be already in the majority and would not need to participate in politics.
Easy example from the last decade: TERFs.
Now, I don't like TERFs, on account of them being radfems and thus automatically hostile to me due to the circumstances of my birth (i.e. penis), but you know what? I reckon they probably want women to have better salaries and fewer barriers to entry into professional fields.
Let them force themselves into political irrelevance if they refuse to play ball, don't make a big fucking show of kicking them out of the movement, because then you end up on the back foot of having to explain "trans women are women" to the mass population and the TERFs simply need to say "look at these brainwashed biology deniers, they think males and females have no differences" and you end up eating your own ass in public, when the point is that trans women ought to be treated as women for their own good and a more welcoming society.
(side note: if you are in that brainless chunk of progs who do believe there is no difference between the sexes, I highly encourage you to look at the world records in any discipline with easily measured metrics such as 100m dash and freestyle swimming. Not a single male record is under the women's record, in some cases every historical male record eclipses the current female one. Males and females are different, this should be acknowledged, and it should not be a barrier to equal dignity in treatment.)
A movement that can't include anyone but the most in-line and pure of the ideological adepts is doomed to be irrelevant, and on that the progressives have an almost complete lock.
Sure, but a lot of people are, and crucially nintendo is.
Also, I'm saying this cost them also on the returns side of things even before the lawsuit.
Yet more people just bought new ones, put the old ones in the box, and returned them for a refund while in the free return period, citing them as faulty.
I don't own a switch but I know I would've done that at a large chain electronic shop rather than bother with the repair rigamarole.
Both Arkham Knight and Witcher 3 exist on steam so the comparison is possible either way
I love that between then and now, "humans" still have not learned to properly pitch a product.
We'd remember who the fuck this even is and ignore him if he did.
I stopped caring about the American dub as soon as they recast Chie for P4G anyway, what's one more change at this point
Kinda, unfortunately.
It was great when it had its niche, and I still buy games there occasionally, but it has poorer integration with pretty much anything, Galaxy is bloated as hell, and it has explicitly no linux/deck support.
Eta: apparently GOG actively funds Heroic launcher, didn't know that, thanks for pointing it out to me.
There is the horipad as an option, but I'm not sure if it's available outside Japan yet.
I got one last time I was there and it's pretty good, not perfect but it would fit the parameters you gave.
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Correct! In general, if there is tech A that does a thing for a demographic, tech B can really only hope to pick up demographic !A
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Lemmy suffers from the "alt-tech curse" in that since there is perfectly serviceable, normie friendly tech, for someone to come to the alternative you have to be not so normie.
Gab, Parler, Voat back in the day, Mastodon and Lemmy, bluesky, etc are all part of the same phenomenon of micro-exodi from established sites due to fitting poorly with existing moderation which, given the fact normies still use the sites, means we're always looking at extremists of some kind.
Whether it's the tankies on lemmy.ml, or the progs on bluesky, or the tradcons on parler and gab, it's always some group being told "if you don't like it here go make your own" and them doing it.
The problem is this makes these environments extremely off-putting to normies as every single motherfucker on each of these platforms has at least a Bachelor's degree in scaring the hoes.
The reality is, if you want normie content, you're gonna find it on platforms used by normies.
Lemmy is too niche to have karma farming bots reposting the same shit every hour, so cat videos etc are in short supply, and most of the people who do participate here have scary levels of politics brainrot.
Sorry, I meant that most companies do fixes to comply with local legislations/sentences and then ignore them everywhere else, Pocketpair can't do that because they are being sentenced in their home jurisdiction, so their infractions in other jurisdictions could and would still be brought to court.
Most companies do stuff like that but pocketpair is based in Japan so they can't, they'd be held accountable.
Add one to the list. Really enjoyable, even fun to cheese, not very fond of the ending but otherwise stellar.
That was before the systematic casualization of nerd hobbies, people were still protective of the things they were fans of.
If you're in circles of hardcore fans, we hate this shit just as much as back then LMAO
Far as I know, not very.
Real combat with weapons is not all that entertaining.
You nick a guy in the right place and he'll die a slow agonising death in the locker room, far from the eyes of the crowd, then you're down an athlete and even the enslaved ones aren't cheap, and they need training, and housing, and feeding, etc.
Moreover this may happen at any point of the fight and that's not very satisfying to watch, think Mike Tyson one-hit KO vs a 20 minute banger with back nad forth.
So obviously you'd make it look good and take your time, send the crowd home happy. Even were it a real competition, which it was at times.
Gladiators that were intantionally killed in the arena were "bought" by the editor (the person paying for the games overall), and it was at a premium. Afterall the lanista got a major cut of their stable's wins, so you'd have to cover the sum of all the potential winnings of the rest of their careers, and then some, to make it worth it.
So it wasn't quite pro wrestling, but it was definitely close, the economics of it make more sense that way, and the (relative) longevity of certain documented gladiators also.
This isn’t an achievement. Why is this in my sports news next to last night’s hockey scores instead of next to an article about who was the bitchiest on the lastest episode of Real Housewives?
Because wrestling is a huge business and it has a lot of overlap with combat sports fans.
Like…of course he did. It’s the storyline. It’s quite literally “in the script”.
Yesn't.
An actor breaking the record for most best performer oscars won in a career would also be newsworthy, yet you can absolutely pay your way to an oscar.
John Cena is remarkable in that he's such a draw that a multi-billion dollar organization decided to set his career as the new ceiling to break for the next big star, by breaking a record untouched for decades, might I add. That's newsworthy.
That isn't scripted, that is a performer being skilled at what he does, as much as I personally don't enjoy his work.
But I thought at some point they steered into the whole “entertainment” aspect when most of us grew the hell up and clued into the absurdity of it all.
This is like, the most "I learned something so the rest of the world learned it with me" I've ever seen.
Wrestling has been known to be fake for over a century; newspapers stopped reporting on it as a factual sport in the early 1900s.
Hell, it was known to be fakery before it was ever televised.
Kids don't know until they do.
It's live action martial arts anime theater. No more, no less.
tl;dr: Should John Cena's record-breaking 17th title win be in the papers? absolutely. Sports section? Maybe, depends. It is a "sport" in the same way that figure skating or synchronised swimming is.
They were here before you, just because you disagree with them doesn't make them not feminists.
This is a great example of what I meant, btw: progressives act like every protestant denomination, calling eachother "not real christians" not realising they are all the same brand of sanctimonious.